Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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Air Force Brat

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"I always scream before I leave my room to scare away the tigers in the corridor."
" - - But you have never seen a tiger in the corridor."
"That proves they are scared away".

No, thats prolly why they don't allow you to carry a gun, see above, "sound mental status", if you stopped that they might change their mind, I'm not sure the Mrs. would stick around if I did that.LOL! Glad to hear that works for you, thats what the tree huggers claim works for charging grizzles, I myself would prefer at least a 375 H&H, but then I digress.
 

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Can't it complement the j20 instead of competing with it? I know china is rich but there is a limit to how much she can spend in this current economic climate. This plane seems like it will cost quite abit lower than the j20. So instead of buying all j20s, they can have a fleet combined with this 2 planes.

The old Hi/Lo concept, worked for us for a long time, now we're doing Lo/Lo, keeps me awake at night?
 

Inst

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I think one of the points though is that if you design for VTOL you don't build a Frankenstein monster with optional VTOL. You design it for VTOL start to finish without compromising the other planes in the family; if the Chinese later decide they need VTOL capability, they'll just design a separate VTOL craft optimized for VTOL instead of creating ridiculous R&D travesties with an all-in-one.
 

mobydog

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A VSTOL jet always gives you the ability of more adaptability in deployment from smaller aircraft carriers or ships
Totally agree...However, on the side note (which largely ignored by fan boys). The design of both the F35B and V-22, inherently have hovering problems dealing with light wind sheers, you only see them flying in fair weather. As far as I can see, they made no effort in addressing them.
 

navyreco

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Still no new pictures out yet ?

It is weird. No that the J31 is fake, but I think the two pictures that we saw so far were leaked by "officials" and were not taken by actual spotters.

Otherwise we would have dozens of more pictures already, like we had for J20. For J20 it wasn't just 2 pics then nothing for days. We had a constant flow of pictures for many days IIRC
 

Totoro

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i believe most images of any new system/platform are official, carefully planned leaks. that includes j20, z10, new destroyer, f60, etc, etc.
 

RickHunter

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Hmmm PLAAF may buy other kinds of fighters. Since Shengyang build it with it's private coffer, it won't be an excellent boy...perhaps better than F-35 :)
 

siegecrossbow

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Still no new pictures out yet ?

It is weird. No that the J31 is fake, but I think the two pictures that we saw so far were leaked by "officials" and were not taken by actual spotters.

Otherwise we would have dozens of more pictures already, like we had for J20. For J20 it wasn't just 2 pics then nothing for days. We had a constant flow of pictures for many days IIRC

That I agree with. Notice how all the photos are taken at the same angles as well. The SAC is noticeably stricter with regulation around the air field.
 

MiG-29

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That I agree with. Notice how all the photos are taken at the same angles as well. The SAC is noticeably stricter with regulation around the air field.

J-20 and J-31 pictures all are leaked pictures, the main difference between cultures and political systems are self evident in the way you know about each stealth fighter from each nation.

If you want to know about F-22 you just need to go to Lockheed Martin`s webpage or watch a discovery channel documentary, the Discovery Channel had video of YF-22 since the early 1990s.
Same is T-50 PAKFA, just go to Sukhoi`s webpage or watch video from RT, or any Russian TV channel.

With China you see leaked pictures or allowing plane spotters take the pictures and upload them on the internet.

Why the difference?

Very likely the difference is because both Russia and the US are the largest exporters of fighter aircraft, so for Russia releasing some data is good, plus Russia today is not comunist, in the years of the USSR only pictures taken on military parades or satellite pictures were the most likely source of pictures of Russian military hardware.

China is far more open than the USSR was, but mostly because we live in the times of Internet.
The Chinese use less official venues than the USA and Russia, but more or less all these nations release the information for political and economic reasons.

The Chinese seem less willing to release official information about their programs, because this could show weakness of their aircraft.

Russia and the US usually boast, the americans usually say the best fighter of the world, the Russians now say the same things, China is unwilling to boast openly, but they also boast in a less self evident way
 

MiG-29

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F-35B -7.5g limit

Every other modern fighter plane - ≥9g limit, enough said.

if your runway does not allow you to take off your 9G fighter is useless, that is the lesson of 1967 war between Israel and the Arabs.

If your fighters have to fly from bases farther away your loiter time is reduce, in 1982 the A-4s and IAI neshers of Argentina had that disadvantage, the Harrier was even subsonic, the Mirage III were supersonic fighters.

Lesson of 1982, V/STOL aircraft can beat conventional aircraft.

F-35B is a great jet, in fact is in reality the most survivable of all the three versions.

Plus these days you have HMS that allow a AIM-9X do all the work, Israel and Russia showed that is a real game changer.


The F-35 chose single engine because one the F135 is a very reliable engine, second it has a vewry high yield and third it allows V/STOL.

F-35 has the disadvantage of if the single F135 fails the pilot has to eject, this reduces patrol time such as the case of Canada`s case.

this is the advantage of J-31, if one engine fails it can survive, but it will need at least two engines like RD-33 to have the thrust of a single f135 and more powerful engines than RD-93 or WS-13 to catch up with PAKFA or F-22 in performance
 
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