Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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plawolf

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That's just moving the goal post, but whatever. Shenyang is really trying to cut cost by not employing a single piece canopy, and I think it will have some negative impacts on RCS.

How much costs can you save by going with a two piece canopy over a one piece design?

This is just a prototype lets not forget, the final production model may look a lot different. The X35 most certainly had a proper two piece canopy, and isn't the PAKFA supposed to get a once piece canopy eventually?

If there was a factor influencing the choice of two-piece over one piece for the first prototype, I would think that time would be the deciding factor instead of cost. I am sure the SAC guys have been desperate to get this bird in the air as soon as they say the first pictures of the J20 on the interwebs. :p
 

Franklin

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The Shenyang J-31 is a vanity project, the CAC has made waves with their J-20 now the SAC is saying we are going to show the world that we can do it as well. If the PLAAF is not backing this plane then there is no chance of getting PLAAF contracts for it and selling it abroad maybe hard to do. Who's going to buy this plane ? Cambodia ? Well, the Pakistani's could be interested but i don't know how much money they got to spend. It's doubtful that any foreign order will be big enough to make it profitable.
 

Air Force Brat

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Probably I should leave for some longer weekends more often ... !

Yes, and maybe Romney will get elected and put the F-22 back in production, hoping and praying. Brat This is awsome, I do think I mentioned the PLAN possibility a month or so ago, when Player 99 told me what was up over here, Kool to the Max!
 
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Air Force Brat

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What doesn't J-20 have a nickname printed on its body, but J-31 does? It seems to me that the J-20's PLA star looks more professional. Is Shenyang trying to be cool?

Shenyang is shopping this bird, they are following the proud tradition of stepping out on your own, I like the Falcon, maybe we'll buy a few over here in the US! LOL!
 

Air Force Brat

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Already some Fan Art
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Thanks, I just made this my new screen saver,very cool indeed gentlemen, and with some proper powerplants, and as Lion suggested TVC, although I think this thing will be fine without them, well this looks like the real deal to me gents, a proper aeroplane, this is indeed likely to end up on the future PLAN carriers as a Catobar rig! Now maybe they'll have a fly-off between the J-31 and the J-20? Wow! now this is what makes the old Brat excited.
 

AssassinsMace

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Here's some more from the same artist. I like this guy's work.

I don't know if this guy has inside info since he came out with a good guess how the J-10B came out but the first one here you can see if they added canards it looks very much like the tri-plane design that was in the pipe.

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siegecrossbow

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The US defense secretary is on his way to Beijing. Time to unveil a new stealth fighter...

Short take-off and vertical landing has been one of the two driving requirements behind the Joint Strike Fighter design, the other being stealth.

STOVL dictated the single engine, and the STOVL solution chosen for the F-35 demands a big vertical bay behind the cockpit, and a main engine located unusually far forward, to keep the driveshaft length within reason and to put the lift-cruise nozzle in the right longitudinal location for balance.

This constrains the weapon-bay volume and effectively subdivides the bays into four zones - two AAM bays and two heavy store sections. As Amy Butler reports in Aviation Week this week, too, the weapon bays, wrapped around the engine, get hot.

If you ever wondered what a JSF might look without those constraints, we now have a live, physical example.

Unfortunately...



..it's Chinese.

One of the photos of the new Shenyang stealth fighter, apparently designated J-31, that appeared on Chinese defense websites over the weekend is such a colossal gimme that it has to have been deliberate. Direct head-on shot? Check. Commercially available aircraft tug? Check. Extreme telephoto, so that perspective effects are lost in the noise? Check.


Sheesh, guys, can't you make it a challenge?

The J-31's wingspan is an F-35-like 37.5 feet, unless my Soviet-watching skills have deserted me. This makes it smaller than the F-22 and considerably smaller than the Chengdu J-20. A good early guess is that the engines are Klimov RD-93s - imported in large numbers for the JF-17 - with a Chinese-built engine to follow.

Turning to the side view of the jet, it looks as if the engines are installed to the rear of the bulkhead that carries the main landing gears. And with no lift fan bay to worry about, the designers have been able to install long weapon bays on the centerline: what will be interesting is how the inlet ducts are routed to optimize internal space.

Overall, the most important point is that the J-31 does not look like a competitor for the J-20 - but as a complement to it.

And if you wonder about the detail similarities of the shape to the F-22 and F-35, remember this quote from 2010:

In the past year (2009) alone, Lockheed Martin found “six to eight companies” among its subcontractors “had been totally compromised – emails, their networks, everything” according to Lockheed Martin chief information security officer Anne Mullins.

Ahhh Bill I missed you!

Looks like the F-35 bashers will resort to using the J-31 as an example of "what the JSF could've been".
 

vesicles

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Here's some more from the same artist. I like this guy's work.

I don't know if this guy has inside info since he came out with a good guess how the J-10B came out but the first one here you can see if they added canards it looks very much like the tri-plane design that was in the pipe.

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So J-31 will hang missiles under its wings, in addition to the weapons bay? Or this is simply an imagination? The stealth would be seriously compromised...
 

AssassinsMace

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Interesting that if the J-21/J-31 is a result of stolen info from Lockheed subcontractors, then why all the points of how it's different from all the F-35 sacrifices made in design. It's all superficial because you can just look at the fighter and get the same information instead of stealing it if it was that simple.

So J-31 will hang missiles under its wings, in addition to the weapons bay? Or this is simply an imagination? The stealth would be seriously compromised...

Well that's just the artist's own take and having fun and fun it is. Who doesn't just like to see a fighter armed to the teeth?


Regarding who's going to buy this? I've mentioned this before... China doesn't have a track record and a reputation to overcome and most countries namely in the Middle East who would be most likely customers already have a brand name fetish for Western luxuries including arms. So China will have to do creative marketing. The US complains about how export oriented countries sell cheaper to kill the competition. Well China might have to use this tactic at a smaller scale. China might have to sell it at a cheaper cost and eat profits in the short-term to get this fighter out there. And more importantly if it can truly match Western fighters, it would be important selling to a country where they might show up at Red Flag. It's going to be out there exposed anyway. Might as well have it tangle with the best.
 
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