Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

Michael90

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There really should be some mechanism to kick out members for both SCO and BRICS, if the Russians object they should leave with Supapowa
Without Russia I'm not sure what will be the point of SCO, it will simply be a Chinese club with some smaller Central Asian states and Iran.. In fact Russia might actually view it with hostilities, since they still vonisder central Asia their area of influence not china's. So not involving them might be detrimental to China.
 

enroger

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Without Russia I'm not sure what will be the point of SCO, it will simply be a Chinese club with some smaller Central Asian states and Iran.. In fact Russia might actually view it with hostilities, since they still vonisder central Asia their area of influence not china's. So not involving them might be detrimental to China.

I'm half joking about Russia, they should know they brought in a western spoiler. They thought they're being clever diluting China's influence in the groups, they ended up playing themselves..... as usual for Russians
 

Michael90

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I'm half joking about Russia, they should know they brought in a western spoiler. They thought they're being clever diluting China's influence in the groups, they ended up playing themselves..... as usual for Russians
Of course, it's normal.. Russia has never been a friend of China, and China knows that.. Its just a matter of convinience both are partners for now, and even so they are not allies despite all the hostility and issues between the US/West against Russia and China. The common man who doesn't understand many things would have expected both countries to firm an alliance giving their shared conflict and issues with the US/West. But its not the case for a good reason.. They don't trust China and vice versa. So being partners is the best China can do. As I said before in another thread, Russia would have to be diminished/reduced to such an extent that they feel they are powerless against China for there to be some sort of alliance China would have to overwhelmingly dominante Russia economically, militarily, technologically, and scientifically in every sector. To such an extent that they have no illusion of being an equal to China. That's the only way Russia will accept her place and be more realistic in her relations with China and thus narrow the mistrust between both sides and even form an alliance if necessary.. In this regard the war in Ukraine is a good thing for China. And China should actually support Russia economically with trade and products to keep Russia in the war for as long as possible as they deport their resources and keep being bogged down in Ukraine. A weak Russia is in China's interests. It's sad to say but thats a reality.
 

taxiya

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There really should be some mechanism to kick out members for both SCO and BRICS, if the Russians object they should leave with Supapowa
Article 13 of the charter provides such mechanism to expel members, it is just matter of other members to agree on what is "violation and failing obligation", it is just the will nothing else.

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SCO membership of a member State violating the provisions of this Charter and/or systematically failing to meet its obligations under international treaties and instruments, concluded in the framework of SCO, may be suspended by a decision of the Council of Heads of State adopted on the basis of a representation made by the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs. If this State goes on violating its obligations, the Council of Heads of State may take a decision to expel it from SCO as of the date fixed by the Council itself.

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It was a "mistake" to let in India in SCO, but it will be a even bigger mistake to expel India in the short term in high profile. It would only serve the interest of US for SCO to do so. The best approach for SCO is to keep India marginized in the orgnization. India can only do some small trick without openly breaking SCO's decision made by majority which India still has its name signed up to. If India choose to do more, then it is its own decision to leave, then it is time for the expulsion and nobody but India can be blamed. Just look at how Turkey works in NATO, no matter how many noises Turkey is still treated and acted as NATO by all parties inside and outside.
 
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GulfLander

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Related to post #2398
Chinese Premier Li Qiang held talks with New Zealand's Prime Minister Christopher Luxon in Beijing on Friday, with both sides agreeing to expand practical cooperation to better promote the common development of the two countries.
 

Wrought

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Gradual progress in ASEAN measured and quantified.

By analyzing the positions of ten Southeast Asian countries on a welter of issues relating to China and the United States, one thing becomes evident: over the past 30 years, many of these countries have gradually but discernibly shifted away from the United States and toward China. Some shifts are more drastic and significant than others. A few countries have indeed managed to “hedge,” to straddle the rift between two superpowers. The overall direction of travel, however, is clear. Southeast Asian countries may insist that they are staying above the fray, but their policies reveal otherwise. The region is drifting toward China, a fact that bodes ill for American ambitions in Asia.

To understand the alignments of ASEAN countries, we examined five domains of interaction between these states and China and the United States: “political-diplomatic” and “military-security” engagement, economic ties, cultural-political affinity (or soft power), and signaling (the public messaging of states). We tracked four indicators in each domain, totaling 20 measures of alignment overall. For example, on the political-diplomatic front, we assembled data on UN voting alignment, the strength of bilateral cooperation, the number of high-level official visits, and membership in multilateral groupings. On the economic front, we examined imports, exports, business associations, and levels of foreign debt. Combining these measures allows us to arrive at a single score for each country. A score of zero indicates full alignment with China; a score of 100 indicates full alignment with the United States. By this metric, we consider the countries that fall within the range of 45 to 55 to be successful hedgers straddling the divide between the two superpowers.

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