Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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Malaysia wouldn't even need to fly J-35s.
All of Singapore is within range of short-range tube artillery or guided rockets launched from Malaysia.
But just remember that a direct Singapore-Malaysia war is highly unlikely as:
1. it would disrupt too many mutually-beneficial links
2. there is little (if any) benefit to "winning"
What gives you this impression? Other than having the U.S. military parked some of their navy, Singapore does not have a defense treaty with the U.S. and if we're looking into the amount of Singaporean actions regarding their China policy they can't be regarded as anti-China at all. Not to mention that their current and past political leaders have not made any comments or public pronouncements that can be constituted as anti-China even in its mildest form.
For example, unlike the total toady that is the Philippines, Singapore participates with the China created defense dialogue/symposium that's no different than the Singapore based Shangri-la dialogue. Singapore is based to many Chinese mainland businesses and Singapore remains to this day one of CHINA's largest investor. The Philippines? Lol sorry @ansy1968 but you know investments and Philippines don't go together unless we're talking about the importation of cheap labour.
Unless I have not fully acquainted myself with Singapore's most recent moves and actions with regards to China I fail to see the merit(s) of your argument.
antiterror13
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Very true, very unlikely currently. However, who knows in 10-20 yrs time when the geopolitics landscape may change. Singapore must prepare for the worst, thats why China is crucial to them
Singapore is always sitting on the fence, for profit, whoever can lure them. Typical British colonial master's mentality. They have lost the identity as Chinese, they now call themselves Singaporian!
Singapore is just anti Russian, reasoning that they can still profit from Russia through China, but it's harder to profit from US through another intermediary.
The idea of a threat from Singapore is kinda laughable. They get nothing from supporting US aggression and can be destroyed trivially. In a war, they would side with neither US nor China both economically and militarily, because the side they don't side with could burn them down in a week of air/sea campaign.
I'd guess that they remain fully neutral until it's clear that China's production and tech makes them unstoppable, then Singapore will let China freely pass/refuel over them. And in the scenario where China is losing, well, things are extremely dire if US is successfully capturing/annexing core areas like Taiwan, if that happened, there's an overwhelming chance of nuclear MAD. Singapore will be the last of anyone's worries.
The idea of a threat from Singapore is kinda laughable. They get nothing from supporting US aggression and can be destroyed trivially. In a war, they would side with neither US nor China both economically and militarily, because the side they don't side with could burn them down in a week of air/sea campaign.
I'd guess that they remain fully neutral until it's clear that China's production and tech makes them unstoppable, then Singapore will let China freely pass/refuel over them. And in the scenario where China is losing, well, things are extremely dire if US is successfully capturing/annexing core areas like Taiwan, if that happened, there's an overwhelming chance of nuclear MAD. Singapore will be the last of anyone's worries.
Hi Bro The same can be said about EDCA, where the American can reposition their equipment and NOT maintain a base. Tomato , tomato the pronunciation may sound different BUT its the same Tomato. Action speak louder than words bro, the good thing is Singapore is small and from a Geopolitical POV her action don't carry much weight. BUT she had to choose side and she had done so cause her survival depend on it.
Just look where Singapore are heading in this multi-polar world, she can't join BRICS cause the US won't allow them too and there's HK. Let's face it the 21st century will be a PAX SINICA and the US are desperate to hold on to its vassal and that include Singapore. I don't criticized Singapore diplomacy, its duplicity is a way for them to prosper and survived. Its just they don't control their destiny and like the Philippine both of them are beholden to someone and that someone is cashing in.
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But Sir can they change course? Will the oligarch oblige? Well for me yes if the Chinese will coopt them. From my POV until Singapore de financialization of their economy which rely heavily on western capital she can't escape, it had become a lifeblood for their economy. Singapore prosperity aside from its population are built heavily on Western inputs, with the return of HKG to China the collective west focus had shifted, they wanted to make Singapore as their Counter weight against HK. So there you go Sir, Singapore is swimming against the tide as the world are rapidly changing with China at its core her relevance are getting smaller, HK with the Greater Bay Area seems very promising plus capital knows NO BOUNDARIES as there are money to make.
Because that's their identity!! LKY and the founders of Singapore never proclaimed Singapore to be the home solely for Chinese ethnic group; rather the country was founded to cohabitate different disparate groups (Chinese, Indians, Malays) that form Singapore.
Let's not try to create fictional history here because that's insulting the courage and the hard earned freedom as well as success (that was never guaranteed) that LKY and its people fought so hard to achieve. Let's not be assholes.
Correct bro, LKY is a great man, he knows that Singapore need to be inside the Malaysian confederation to survived BUT he was rejected so he need to act and he act fast. His action is a reflection of his time so his successor and the new generation of leadership need to do the same BUT sadly nobody IN HIS FAMILY or inner circle had the same characteristic and charisma as he does to guide Singapore to a new path.
A Chinese idiom for the day "WEALTH DOES NOT LAST BEYOND THREE GENERATIONS"
The Chinese idiom that describes the idea that the first generation builds wealth, the second generation preserves it, and the third generation destroys it is, “The first generation builds the wealth; the second generation lives like gentlemen; the third generation must start all over again”.
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