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ansy1968

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lcloo said:
Yes, after the end of Vietnam war in 1970s, 5 commonwealth countries - Singapore, Malaysia, UK, Australia and New Zealand fromed a military allies by signing a "Five Power Defense Arrangement" treaty. The aim was to to defend Singapore and Malaysia if Vietnam decided to go south against Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.

Time has changed and Vietnam is no longer considered a threat, and UK has lost much of its military power. So the biggest threat to SIngapore is ironically from one of its allies because the Malay chauvinist dreaming of uniting Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, a Nusantara into an Islamic Malay Nusantara nation.

However, this view is shared among very small number of people thus it is unlikely to happen now and in near future.
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But China had made its choice and that is Indonesia and Thailand, frankly speaking what will Singapore offer that is attractive to China? The Market is too small and they have HKG, in fact I have a sense that the Singaporean knew it too that's why they had been courting India and are a willing vassal to the US, they see their future in these 2 countries NOT in China.
 
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ansy1968 said:
But China had made its choice and that is Indonesia and Thailand, frankly speaking what will Singapore offer that is attractive to China? The Market is too small and they have HKG, in fact I have a sense that the Singaporean knew it too that's why they had been courting India and are a willing vassal to the US, they see their future in these 2 countries NOT in China.
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Have you seen any political, military and trade action from SIngapore that is anti-China?

"in fact I have a sense that the Singaporean knew it too that's why they had been courting India and are a willing vassal to the US, they see their future in these 2 countries NOT in China."

These are your personnal perception, and they are not true. China and Singapore have collaborated in many areas especially in geopolitics and commerce. Malaysia is also very friendly with India and USA, does that made Malaysia anti-China?

China has military conflict with India but Singapore and Malaysia has none of these. Being friendly to all countries is being not taking side with countries in conflict. This applies to US-China conflict and China-India conflict.
 
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ansy1968

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lcloo said:
Have you seen any political action from SIngapore that is anti-China?
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NO I don't BUT they know their geography, IF push come to shove the Chinese will not intervene if war do happen with Malaysia and Singapore, they know it due to Chinese non interference policy, so there is a need for a big power who is a willing participant and a protector that's where the American comes in. In fact to tell you the truth the Singaporean view the Quad favorably cause for them having the US tied down in Asia ensure her security plus having Japan and India in there will make a great deterrent. So yes Singapore is in the western camp and NO amount of protestation will amount to anything cause they have NO say from the beginning, having sold their sovereignty for security.
 
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ansy1968 said:
NO I don't BUT they know their geography, IF push come to shove the Chinese will not intervene if war do happen with Malaysia and Singapore, they know it due to Chinese non interference policy, so there is a need for a big power who is a willing participant and a protector that's where the American comes in. In fact to tell you the truth the Singaporean view the Quad favorably cause for them having the US tied down in Asia ensure her security plus having Japan and India in there will make a great deterrent. So yes Singapore is in the western camp and NO amount of protestation will amount to nothing cause they have NO say from the beginning, having sold their sovereignty for security.
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OK, it is useless to discuss with you. Your hard headed bias personnal perception stays as it is. Think what you like to think. No more reply on this topic.
 
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ansy1968

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lcloo said:
OK, it is useless to discuss with you. Your hard headed bias personnal perception stays as it is. Think what you like to think. No more reply on this topic.
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Well thanks for your patient, I just stated my opinion like everybody else whether it fit your view or not.
 
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lcloo said:
Have you seen any political, military and trade action from SIngapore that is anti-China?

"in fact I have a sense that the Singaporean knew it too that's why they had been courting India and are a willing vassal to the US, they see their future in these 2 countries NOT in China."

These are your personnal perception, and they are not true. China and Singapore have collaborated in many areas especially in geopolitics and commerce. Malaysia is also very friendly with India and USA, does that made Malaysia anti-China?

China has military conflict with India but Singapore and Malaysia has none of these. Being friendly to all countries is being not taking side with countries in conflict. This applies to US-China conflict and China-India conflict.
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It is the Singapore media especially The Straits Times and Channelnews Asia and America nuthuggers like Collin Koh who are anti-China. The latter, as everyone knows, is effing cringeworthy.
 
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