And the various moves by the axis of resistance then?
Why aren't US and Israel putting pressure on Qatar and other of those 'backers' of Hamas?
Why they instead constantly calling out Iran and Hezbollah?
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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Why aren't US and Israel putting pressure on Qatar and other of those 'backers' of Hamas?
Why they instead constantly calling out Iran and Hezbollah?
Even Western media reports the truth occasionally. You just have to take notice.
"This episode served as a reminder that while innocent civilians in Gaza die in their hundreds from aerial bombing and tens of thousands more are rendered homeless, Hamas's leaders exist above the fray in air-conditioned comfort 2,000 kilometres away as guests of Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani.
But they are not the only guests of Qatar.
Just a few minutes drive away from the hotels and villas housing Hamas leaders is Al-Udaid Air Base, home to the U.S. military's Central Command. Washington's relationship with Qatar is so close that last year the White House officially designated the tiny emirate a "Major Non-NATO Ally" of the United States."
Claiming Iran is a large Hamas sponsor or the major one is just plain bullshit. Hamas might have temporary alliances of convenience with Shia groups but they have a long history of conflict with Shia. Assad's father for example had major conflicts with the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. Hamas also actively supported the "Arab Spring" rebellion against Bashar al-Assad its forces directly fought against the Syrian government.
The major Hamas sponsors, just like I said, are Qatar and Turkey.
Qatar has sponsored Muslim Brotherhood members for decades. And they gave them a platform to speak and gain a following.
Qatar was a major sponsor for the "Arab Spring" movement. Which among other things tried and succeeded to put the Muslim Brotherhood into power in Egypt for some time. Before the Egyptian military pushed them out again.
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If this, if that. You're arguments are based on conjecture which have no bearing on reality, and the reality is that Israel exists as an unstoppable military arm of the US in the middleast, committing all types of crimes with nobody to stop them.
Yes it does. It keeps the Arabs weak and divided which is important for exploitation. As well, the existence of Israel has religious significance for Evangelical nutters in America.
What has US lost by supporting Israel?
No. US and its father UK were in the business of exploitation long before Israel existed.
Thanks for finally understanding that Arabs have, de facto, accepted Israel.
You are not up to date. Egypt has blockaded Gaza WITH ISRAELI cooperation for the past decade and a half. This cooperation included Egypt destroying Hamas tunnels.
Do you still want to argue that Arabs haven't accepted Israel?
This has little to do with Egypt supporting Israel. It is just that the Egyptian military has poor relations with the Muslim Brotherhood and that includes Hamas. Hamas supported Morsi when he was in power.
Nobody said that.
People are losing focus of the arguments and going on endless tangents.
Israel is not "unstoppable" on its own and it's not committing all of these crimes on its own. it's almost like you are disconnected from reality.
Did you forget tens of billions of dollars from the US in funding and military equipment, data sharing, pressure on the neighboring states, and even some direct involvement of the US military in Gaza?
This is all in addition to the entire Collective West, see today that they announced against Houthis.
You didn't understand my point, my point is that without tens and hundreds of billions of US dollars, Israel is nothing,
It is not an asset on its own, it is a huge liability if you understand what I mean, and a huge net loss of focus and resources for the US.
This is not a US win, or asset, in the Middle East, it's a huge net loss stemming from the zionist lobby controlling the US administration.
The United States gets next to nothing from Israel in comparison to the time and money it invested in it alongside its ruined reputation all around the world.
For example, they now have to move their entire navy from Mediterenian and SCS to the Red Sea thanks to Houthis.
Not to mention how much inventory, and strategic focus, they already lost. China is rubbing its hands in delight already.
You are saying that the US got something from Israel, some kind of power in the region, but it got only a catastrophic negative loss by all means.
Lost these few last semblances of soft power it had in the Middle East, the Muslim world, and the Global South in general. It's like you are not following anything. The US is like an international pariah today voting against the whole world.
And practically lost hundreds of billions, lost strategic focus from the Pacific, lost their already sparse and laughable inventory and production lines, etc.
A better question is what they didn't lose by supporting Israel. They are preparing to fight China 10 times more industrially stronger than them with half of their resources already in the Middle East, Ukraine? Israel is using them like dumbasses.
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Nobody said Israel is on it's own so why do you repeatedly indulge in this nonsensical poppycock? Whether its alone or not is irrelevant to anything I've written.
Nope. It's not relevant to my contentions.
Your point doesn't address anything I've written.
Please don't quote me if you're going to write irrelevant drivel.
Obviously you are not aware of how the American war machine operates. Whatever you think of as 'loss' to America is just American taxes funneled into American defense contractors. There isn't any real loss here. American empire survives on these types of conflicts.
No, it didn't lose anything.
It seems you have a very poor memory, similar to your knowledge. Yesterday you were saying that the US basically fully controls Saudi Arabia "on a leash" or that it can at least overthrow their current regime almost any second, you compared them to famous US vassal states such as Japan and Germany, putting them in the same bracket, and spewing other 100% conspiracy theories that defied logic and evidence, but then you were proven wrong with at least 10 arguments again and again (at least 5 times). Everyone can see this a thread ago as objective facts.
However, just then, after you were proven wrong that many times and with that much evidence, you found another pro-US 4D chess cope to bring up - That everything is okay since the US at least has Israel on its side in the Middle East. And because of that, in my last few responses, I was explaining to you patiently in concrete terms why having Israel as their last ally in the Middle East is also generally not positive for them in this situation, and that it's a huge net negative for them. That's it's not a "win" for the US, but a major loss. So, what cope will you bring up next?
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You haven't addressed anything I've written; just irrelevant nonsense. Prove me wrong that Arabs haven't accepted Israel. Prove me wrong that Arabs are now working in American interests to legitimize the apartheid.
You're arguing with yourself with drivel. Keep at it.
Ok, so what did the US officially get over Arabs "legitimizing apartheid" (or in the words of most people - having normal economic relations with Israel)? I think Israel is the only one who gets something out of it. And we were discussing the US's current meager power in ME, not Israel's. The US gets hundreds of billions of dollars of losses in money and equipment over time for supporting Israel, and even fewer chances to win against strategically important rivals like China and Russia in other parts of the world, the US gets a total loss of its arguments, moral points, reputation, soft power, internationally, in the Muslim World which is many tens of times more important than Israel, in the Global South with past colonial grievances, etc, what else, did I miss anything? Go on, now you should list precisely what the US got, don't change the topic for the 3rd time, list your arguments openly. So, the US got 3 points but lost 30 points in something, I can't understand your "arguments". And we were talking about the US power in the region the whole time if you forgot, that's why the argument between us started in the first place dude, you forgot what happened just yesterday.