Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher
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Zoomed in on the 750mm TBM, posted by @BC_Xuanming on Twitter.
The M20 TBM exhibited at Zhuhai Expo, posted by @somePLAOSINT on Twitter for comparison.
Looks like the PLAGF finally managed to "establish" a new "2nd Artillery Corps" after almost 8 years!
The M20 TBM exhibited at Zhuhai Expo, posted by @somePLAOSINT on Twitter for comparison.
Looks like the PLAGF finally managed to "establish" a new "2nd Artillery Corps" after almost 8 years!
There was the testing of Laser-guided rocket by drone on a naval target.
Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher
A long range gun seems a lot more vulnerable to counter artillery strikes considering they'll likely have to be extensively stabilised and would definitely be much heavier than PHL-16 trucks With China's extensive manufacturing it's probably easier to stockpile thousands of 300/370mm reload...
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Although a small ship could probably be directly attached by a drone anyway.
Where in the clip did it state that it was laser guided? This is a genuine question.
I remember that clip when it was posted, and when I watched it at the time I couldn't see or hear anything about the rockets being laser guided or the UAV doing laser designation. I just watched it again and I still cannot see or hear anything about it.
My impression was (and is) that this is more a demonstration of the unit's ability to identify and strike maritime targets -- which did not appear to be moving in this case, but to do so relatively accurately (i.e.: hitting fixed, non-moving surface targets which is well in their purview and something that satellite guided 300mm rockets can do).
If the naval target was actually moving, and they were still able to hit it accurately, then that would suggest there was some form of terminal guidance on board such as being laser guided.
Alternatively, if I missed anything in the clip which definitively states that it is laser guided, feel free to correct me.
Wait, why do we need the M20 for comparison?
The PHL-191 is based off the AR-3 offered for export, and the AR-3 itself is offered with the 750mm "Fire Dragon 480" rocket/missile which is almost certainly what this new tactical ballistic missile is (but likely with the usual domestic up performance perks).
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the M-20 had a relationship with FD480 (indeed the MLRS that they're both offered with seem like very close competing platforms so they're probably targeting the same segment), but FD480 should be far far more relevant for PHL-191 than M20..
I wonder what range the PLA version of the 750mm Rocket will have compared to the export version's 400km, if it gets anywhere close to 500km PLA can potentially hit Seoul from Yantai for example.
Based on the size of the rocket I wouldn't be surprised if a domestic version could approach 500km of range given they were openly advertising 400km as an export version a few years ago.
Also keep in mind FD480 has quite a hefty warhead of 480kg, so it should be fairly capable against a variety of target profiles.
I did not rewatch the clip.
I am just looking back at another post of a rocket launch against a slow moving boat which was a low quality gif, looks like the information I could find was actually using Beidou and INS combination.
Just doing a quick google search, probably just mixing up information from the SR-5/King Dragon 60
Where was that spec sheet for the PHL-16 from? I see that they are using the traditional character for dragon. (I like spotting random inconsistent usage of simplified and traditional characters)
I think you might be mixing things up yeah.
I've actually been awaiting for a 300mm or even 122mm guided rocket/MLRS with terminal guidance in PLA service for a while, and at this stage I haven't observed one in use by the PLA.
It makes sense for MLRS to be guided by satellite/INS (for large calibres such as 370mm or 300mm) or even unguided for smaller calibres (122mm), given their primary use is against fixed ground targets, and hitting moving targets at sea is probably just better done by AShMs anyway.
Anyway, in context of that paper, it's really not worth talking about PHL/PCH-191's role against naval targets given we have no indication the PLA has it in service with the TL-7B or any other rockets with terminal guidance against moving naval targets.
Not sure where I found it, it's a few years old.
The range of the export version of the 750mm rocket is 290km, same as that of the export version of 370mm.
My guess is that the range of the domestic version of the 750mm is prob around 500km, with the domestic 370mm being around 300-350km.
Below are range of the export version.
The range on your image are interesting they are different than the one in Arabic that I found.
I also this a rough image measurement , the 750mm rocket should be around 7.5m long. 500km range make sense?
