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The point though, is that some good threads are being spoiled by the usual things. A few more VIPS might move some of these posts into the VIP forum and give the issues a chance to be discussed properly.

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funny you to mentioned it, but i just send webmaster mail earlier today concerning the excatly the same matter...but if you have someone particulary in mind (tough i might already suggested him) fell free to send me inbox mail...

I'm sad summer is gone now, it was a pretty good one overall, but I never semed able to have time to take advantage of it. Oh well always next year I suppose.

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for me the autum and comming of the winter usually means getting back to the "everyday life" so to speak...summer is just this short period of relaxation and tenderness to the hard life...

Anyway, as winter now appraoches and the nights draw in (what time does it get dark in Hama now? its about 6:30 in Bristol) I wonder if I can persuade you to try and obtain one of my favourite albums - Hyperborea by Tangerine Dream - it is just ideal for relaxing on a cold day or night.

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actually the darkness comes roughly at the same time...at the moment, after the winter takes the lead, gloom arives at early as 14:00-15:00...and norther you go the the shorter the daytime comes and around christmass, in lappland there's hardly any day at all...
But about that band...isen't it some sort of folkband? Well my musical taste and ecspecially the way how i listen it is quite weird...sort of a grasshopper-style. I pick this one or two bands and consume them to the point where there is nothing left...at least i did so when i was younger. After i aquired almoust all possiple zeppelin-albums and other stuff, i moved over to the Who and Jethro Tull. Nowadays i'm learned to be more "wiser" listener and i'm eagerly expanding my collections...so perhaps that Tangerine dreams will find its way to my recordshell...

Heres something I think you can answer for me.

Whever I look at the older PLA armour still in service, I tend to look at it with very British eyes and say "now if I were running the show and was given these, what would I do with them"

To me it seems pointless using a T55 as an MBT, but using it as close support for IFV's (even if only something to draw fire as the Infantry head into Urban Cover) or Mortar Carriers - AA Wagons or even Tracked Artillery, seems the best route.

You know this old Russian (style) stuff very well, so would this be a feasible use of old and obsolete kit or is it just niave?

Otherwise TF its Friday at least now I can relax a bit (I will have my new software delivered tomorrow, so I can get the Website moving again.

Now its Dinner time Sausages and Rice coutesy of Mrs S :nono:

Now its Dinner time Sausages and Rice coutesy of Mrs S

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wow, you brits eat bit late...

but as for those tanks, you are on rigth tracks, but the main disavantage is their age. Old junk needs more maintannance and its rather pointless to operate tank that needs a dedicated maintannace platoon to suport its actions.

There is no point for PRC to try replace them one by one basis. Its no more relevant to the current PRC threat perdictions. Massive tank armyes are needed when invading (or defending) another country whit considerable military assets to counter your invaision, but I think that time have passed beyond it now. All potential countryes for china to do so poses a Nukes by now and they practically calls it of. And you dont ride to Taiwan whit massive ammouts of tanks, you need to ship the ower water, and its complete waste to do so whit piece of junk that cannot counter Taiwanese forces...not that it requires much, Taiwanese tankforces arent much to brash about.

other wise its been rather hard week for beeing moderator....Vincelee has started terrorise my e-mail, and I've run out of ideas and curses to say to him...that guy has some serious proplems and hate inside him.

But i have come to think that its almoust amazing that theres no other taiwanese guys running wild here. Cos, if looking from taiwanese (vince's) point of view, some of our threads are bit offensive and flaming, and vince cannot be only nationalist in that island. If you take look of some india-pakistanese conversation in other forums, its afwul and ugly stuff said there to each others but not so much in here. Just makes me wonder....(man its must be pretty late for me trying to understand vinces point of view )

other wise its been rather hard week for beeing moderator....Vincelee has started terrorise my e-mail, and I've run out of ideas and curses to say to him...that guy has some serious proplems and hate inside him.

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The guy is obiously a nutter (not the only one to appear on this forum I notice) and is probably best ignored - use any spam or block buttons you have to the lose the sucker.

wow, you brits eat bit late

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Tell me about it 7:30 if i'm lucky 8:00 normally. My old dad has had dinner on the table at 6:00pm every day of his life. Talk about a different world.

Anyhow - an observation.

Do we still have any survey tools on this forum?

The reason I ask is this. As a discussion board, all too often threads degenerate into an arguement between a handful of posters all repeating their entrenched positions and nobody listening to each other.

A Debate in contrast, is about two sides providing opposing arguements in order to influence the views of others.

So can we I wonder run threads for a period, untill decent arguments run out, close the thread and then conduct a survey as to how members rate the arguments.

Think its possible?

Do we still have any survey tools on this forum?

The reason I ask is this. As a discussion board, all too often threads degenerate into an arguement between a handful of posters all repeating their entrenched positions and nobody listening to each other.

A Debate in contrast, is about two sides providing opposing arguements in order to influence the views of others.

So can we I wonder run threads for a period, untill decent arguments run out, close the thread and then conduct a survey as to how members rate the arguments.

Think its possible?

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hmm...you mean like some sort of voting on closed topics wheter they should be reopened? Of our technical possipilityes, i'm not all that awere of all the things possiple in this forum host...better ask webmaster...

Anyway your suggestion might work (if i understood it correctly) in proffesional discussion forum, where sadly the most fruiting discussion is possiple...sadly it have been quiet for MONTH now...hope these new promotions could boost it up a bit...

More fun and games on the forum.

I am disappointed by Chinawhite resorting to personal abuse, I hopw he will reflect upon it when he returns.

But I think it does reinforce my interest in trying to move to a more debate style format rather than argument. A debate is about trying to influence the views of others listening to opposing arguements, rather than simply two people attacking each other.

hmm...you mean like some sort of voting on closed topics wheter they should be reopened

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Not so much that but voting on the quality of the arguments and who you agree with. Flaming is totaly counter-productive as it only alienates those listening.

Otherwise how is life treating you - the evenings seem to be really drawing in, getting wetter and colder and overall more miserable. Christmas in 2 months I havent even started buying my presents yet.

I read somewhere recently that Finalnd was the first or second least corrupt countries in the world whilst the UK was down in 17th place - well thats the Blair effect for you. China was not in the top 5, fortunatly however, it was not in the bottom 5 either.

I also notice your comments on Sibelius in the Natonal Anthem Thread, I guess you have never heard Micheal Palins "Finalnd" Song:rofl:

I think National Anthems say a lot about the character of a country Britain and Germany, Slow Pompous and Ponderous, USA Flash and Glitzy, Russia trying to keep up spirits in the bl**dy weather etc. My favourite though must be the Italian - it just sounds like a good knees up at the local Trattoria - if you know what I mean.

I am disappointed by Chinawhite resorting to personal abuse, I hopw he will reflect upon it when he returns.

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Well whats bug me most about that incident that it wasent firstime somebody attacks directly towards me couse of my moderation and uses my militaryknowlidge and opinions as a club...It happened two or three times in the old forum, and there as result of my too 'pro-indian' views that seems to piss chinese nationalistic hotheads more than beeing pro-taiwna independence. And everytime i react it, it afterwards appears as unmature or unpropriate way of dealing it. And this time i ban that poor baggar...

But when he comes back, I fear that we aint seen nothing yet... :nono:

But I think it does reinforce my interest in trying to move to a more debate style format rather than argument. A debate is about trying to influence the views of others listening to opposing arguements, rather than simply two people attacking each other.

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Well thats the ultimate goal of dongfeng...get this forum more proffesional...but as this days events showed, we are still far away...

Otherwise how is life treating you - the evenings seem to be really drawing in, getting wetter and colder and overall more miserable. Christmas in 2 months I havent even started buying my presents yet.

I read somewhere recently that Finalnd was the first or second least corrupt countries in the world whilst the UK was down in 17th place - well thats the Blair effect for you. China was not in the top 5, fortunatly however, it was not in the bottom 5 either.

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Well studying and more studying...or least i should.... As i have finaly dragged myself to get drivers licence, it's been the main focus of mine...driving around whit this at least my age truck scaring the pedestrial (or are those who walk on the streats called that way...?)...and pissing of the fellow drivers...

I also read about that finland being one of the most uncorrupted-country...it's funny tough in here we have had this discussion about what excatly is corruption?? Is inviting (the invitor is most likely building again in the same county) the local building inspector to "harjakaiset" (this party or celebration of builders after house is build) corruption, where's good food is offered, a sauna and ofcourse lost of alcohol ??? Is it corruption when this same inspectors got away whit only note from local police after driving bit too fast and my dad (i was whit him in the occasion) got 105€ ticket for same overspeed in the exact same place...and the local police was just waiting for structual inspection of his own house being build....???

Hello old mate

I have just been watching the BBC news and it seems as though life for you could be about to become more interesting.

They had an Interview with your Prime Minister and his basic message seemed to be, that Finland needs to reduxe both taxation and welfare costs, in order to remain competitve against gloabl competion, principally India and China. Does Finland need to look very far for a preferred alternative? .... well no, it just needs to look across the Gulf of Finland to ..... Estonia. Yup seems thats where you guys are heading - low flat tax and Wils West capitalism.

I gather that you Finns are a hardy bunch and particularly adept at plunging into icy cold water. Well with these economic charges you will find such an ability very useful indeed.....

Also in the news an amazing allegation from the US Senate against a British MP, George Galloway. I am not a political supporter of Galloway, but I agree with much of his viewpoint on the Gulf War and I am incredulous of the campaign that has been whipped up against him. Potentially this could be quite dangerous, as he is a Democraticaly elected MP, who publically expresses the views and opinions held by many millions of Brits, none of whom would ever dream of voting for him. He is therefore our unofficial voice of conscience and we all enjoyed watching hom savage the Senate back in May. Potentially; under a one sided agreement, he could be extradited and tried in the USA. This would be very damaging to UK US relations and the fall out could be very real long term public damage.

Hopefully the US will have more sense than to persue this, sadly however, with the Sociopathic y s that seem to run the US these days - I am not very optimistic.

Well what our prime minister said, reflects pretty well what the 'elite' thinks nowadays. yhe welfare sosiety starts showing sings that the road has come to its end. Personally i see that the most threathening thing to our future and only thing to make it worse, is that these same guys who make the decissions are also headlong towards NATO and then we would be targetted by terrorist!!
But in current economical situation, where the old Soviet Union and bilateral exports arent any longer providing solid finacical back up for the system, our nordick model just cannot whitstand the pressure. Its sad, but only ways are to go more dramatically inside sosialism or in the other way. The middle road of social democratics that has dominated the athmosphere in this part of the world has come to its end. sad, very sad...

Also in the news an amazing allegation from the US Senate against a British MP, George Galloway.

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I have to admitt that I havent heard of him before, our media rarely steps in to the US-UK relations...finnish media is, at least from my opinion, as democratic as it is in PRC. All major news papers are owned by single company, and only source of foreing news seems to be our sole news agency STT which is also owned by same people. Even the state owned YLE (our BBC) gets its news from STT as well as all newspapers. Only exeption migth be our biggest daily paper, Helsingin Sanomat, which has some sort of own foreing news reporting chain, but they are solid anti-russia/soviet, anti-communist, pro-NATO, pro US pamflet so...and they too much china brahshing too, in same way that people here claims neo-cons of US do...

And only alternative sources are, in other hand very convinced that reports of North Korean famine are mere capitalistic propaganda and Kim is heartfull, and peace loving leader that shines in the Korean sky like big brigth shooting star....So then you try to make a objective image of the world and believe that west is the best.

But life do smiles sometimes. Like in yesterday, I finally managed to find some sort of good images and data on this canceled Yugoslavian Fighter jet, Novi Avion, that has long been my number one target when scrolling through military field. (I actually made a thread about this to celebrate my discovery in the world armed forces thread)
And late last nigth i find this Russian site that has put all numbers of Morskaya Collectiya, a preiciated Russian naval journal to online. From those numbers I found lots of new and intresting stuff, thougth one of the most wonderfull picture of unbuilt and -aprroved concept of Moskva class Helicopter carrier, but the pic showed in thumpnail, didnt open fully, but only to halv of the picture and all data that was writen in the bottom of the pic, left out And it that kind of proplem is so typical to Russian internet site, and it always tends to concentrate to those most intresting pictures....

By the way, first snow hit the gound this morning here in southern Finland (lappland has 'enjoyed' it for weeks now) so guess its winter now...

Well what our prime minister said, reflects pretty well what the 'elite' thinks nowadays. yhe welfare sosiety starts showing sings that the road has come to its end

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Welcome Comrade Capitalist to the Horror Show, Megabucks, Get Rich Quick, Frontier. We had this back in the eighties (when i was your age ) and it has'nt been to bad over all.

By the way, first snow hit the gound this morning here in southern Finland (lappland has 'enjoyed' it for weeks now) so guess its winter now...

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Suprisingly warm (20 degrees C tomorrow ) but also mostly pretty wet. Temperatures expected to fall sharply by next week. Our clocks go back for Winter daylight saving, this Saturday - do you have such a thing in Finland.

That Aryan thread is interesting. Mrs Sampan refuses to believe in any form of Darwinesim and gets a real wobble if you tell her shes descended from a monkey!!. Personally I think Chinese people are descended from Cats - after all they are quite feline looking - the eyes - the Whiskers - even Mandarine can sound like Miaows sometimes. The only problem with this theory is that Mrs S seems to be turning into a Duck????? you are what you eat I suppose.

My secret is out anyway, so I will pick up my tail and knuckle back to my cave.