Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

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Russians also develop su-57. So primary sources are in russian anyways.
And this certain blog(bmpd) is one of the most reputable open sources out there, with links directly to the industry and/or military.
It's theirs:

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It is generally undisputed that Russian AESA technology is at least 2-3 generations behind western development. That said if GaN based T/R are being used it would be a big news event and widely reported. If it was in western literature there would be scrutiny. Any reputable military journalist would not risk their reputation unless it can be verified. The fact that there is no western literature supporting such a claim suggest that it has not past scrutiny. Russia today still don't have any production series AESA that are GaAs based to my knowledge. It is still work in progress.

Below is an excerpt from Armada magazine reporting that No36 is GaAs based.

 

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Any reputable military journalist would not risk their reputation unless it can be verified.

Well, as chinese say, “我很无奈，随便”(i am helpless here, do as you seem fit).
Significant margain of openly availible western sources on su-57, including even reputable think tanks, use lowest forum-level analytics(in either direction, both fanboish and negative). Truly knowledgeable exceptions(say, Butowski) are very few, and they are often hidden behind paywalls.

 

[gelgoog]

Russia, unlike China, is very limited in terms of semiconductor fabrication. Because Russia has a lot less population, they simply do not have the same amount of money to invest in expensive manufacturing facilities of that type. They simply do not make economic sense. Neither can Russia leverage the know-how in their telecommunications equipment sector because, to be honest, they don't have one. If you look at their semiconductor projects, most of them are military projects.

Russians typically have solved these issues with novel approaches to solve the problem or just plain brute forcing it. Like the MiG-25 radar using a very strong signal emitter despite using vacuum tubes. Although they have made modern radars on occasion like the Zaslon radar on the MiG-31. I think the Russians have been working on the problem long enough that I would not be surprised if the radar was at least as capable as the F-22 radar once it comes out.

 

[Anlsvrthng]

It is generally undisputed that Russian AESA technology is at least 2-3 generations behind western development. That said if GaN based T/R are being used it would be a big news event and widely reported. If it was in western literature there would be scrutiny. Any reputable military journalist would not risk their reputation unless it can be verified. The fact that there is no western literature supporting such a claim suggest that it has not past scrutiny. Russia today still don't have any production series AESA that are GaAs based to my knowledge. It is still work in progress.

Below is an excerpt from Armada magazine reporting that No36 is GaAs based.
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US actively targeting the supply chains of the Russian military semiconductor companies.
One of them went into bankruptcy due to US enforced supply restrictions.

It should be natural reaction to make a full blockade on the technology achievements .

 

[Air Force Brat]

US actively targeting the supply chains of the Russian military semiconductor companies.
One of them went into bankruptcy due to US enforced supply restrictions.

It should be natural reaction to make a full blockade on the technology achievements .

Russia remains under international sanction for its invasions of Georgia and the Ukraine, and occupying territory it formerly held under the Soviet Union... to bad.....

end off topic: so yes the Su-57 is the most beautiful of all the supposed 5 Gens, but honestly the Su-57 is really more 4+++ than 5 Gen? and that's a good thing for the rest of the world......

IMHO

 

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end off topic: so yes the Su-57 is the most beautiful of all the supposed 5 Gens, but honestly the Su-57 is really more 4+++ than 5 Gen? and that's a good thing for the rest of the world......

Well, unlike the f-35, it matches all 5th gen checkboxes.
But yes, it's great for the rest of the world: some gravitation democracy will be deterred from falling, some lives won't perish for nothing.

 

[SteelBird]

Russia remains under international sanction for its invasions of Georgia and the Ukraine, and occupying territory it formerly held under the Soviet Union... to bad.....

end off topic: so yes the Su-57 is the most beautiful of all the supposed 5 Gens, but honestly the Su-57 is really more 4+++ than 5 Gen? and that's a good thing for the rest of the world......

IMHO

I believe Su-57 matches all criteria of 5 gen excepts stealth. F-35 also fails on super cruise. But I have no problem with you calling Su-57 4+++ or 4.75 gen. However, why it is good for the rest of the world when Russia has no true 5 gen fighter? I believe in fair competition and balance in power. When the west has state of the art weapon, the east should have something similar. The bad news is the third world warring states always suffer bombing.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Well, unlike the f-35, it matches all 5th gen checkboxes.
But yes, it's great for the rest of the world: some gravitation democracy will be deterred from falling, some lives won't perish for nothing.

LOL, no, its not very L/O, its not very L/O by their own admission, and its short on thrust if we compare it to the F-22, which was their target, not the F-35..

So you believe what you want to, but in a 1 to 1 with an F-35, that bird is going down, that beautiful doll will "paint" very nicely...

If there is a threat in the world today beside North Korea and Iran, its got to be Russia, lets just start with the Malaysian airliner those goofballs shot down!

 

[Air Force Brat]

I believe Su-57 matches all criteria of 5 gen excepts stealth. F-35 also fails on super cruise. But I have no problem with you calling Su-57 4+++ or 4.75 gen. However, why it is good for the rest of the world when Russia has no true 5 gen fighter? I believe in fair competition and balance in power. When the west has state of the art weapon, the east should have something similar. The bad news is the third world warring states always suffer bombing.

The bad news is that terrorists have filled the third world, we've chosen to deal with them on their home dirt, as opposed to allowing another 9/11, remember, that was 4 airliners full of innocent people, not to mention the two world trade centers, and the Pentagon...

In point of fact, most of those refugee's in Europe, fled the madness in their own countries, persecuted and killed by their own leaders, no doubt Obama and Hillary's "arab spring" added to the bloodshed and homelessness....

The F-22 owns the supercruise kingdom, recall the F-35 was designed to be an A-10 replacement, so no one imagined or ever stated it would supercruise, who knew it would be so dang good at A2A.

The US is far from perfect, and to be honest these new socialists pose a very significant threat to our Republic, we've had our own well publicized, and apologized for incidents of innocents being harmed unintentionally... looking back at the Iranian airliner shoot down? its horrible, horrible things happen in this very dangerous world we live in...

 

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LOL, no, its not very L/O

According to eyeball rcs specialists, who haven't even saw final article?
But ok, maybe Sukhoi shall hire some from forums. Better late than never.

All 4 existing 5th designs have big compromises in their RCS approaches. Yes, certainly including the f-35.

If there is a threat in the world today beside North Korea and Iran, its got to be Russia, lets just start with the Malaysian airliner those goofballs shot down!

There are several organisations, known for shooting down airliners.
One of them, accidentally is the US.
But US are too powerful to be punished for several hundreds of innosent lives. Who cares about innocent Iranian lives in Washington, DC, anyways. They can't strike back, can they?

So you believe what you want to, but in a 1 to 1 with an F-35, that bird is going down, that beautiful doll will "paint" very nicely...

Yes, yes, a2a-focused heavy fighter, essentially purpose-designed to fight 5th gen opposition, certainly will lose to 5th gen light fighter-bomber, designed to replace f-16, a-10 and a-6.