Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[anzha]

so does the famous FGFA Program.

Do you have an Indian government source for that? Everything I have read from them is the FGFA is terminated due to work share and continually increasing pricing.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Do you have an Indian government source for that? Everything I have read from them is the FGFA is terminated due to work share and continually increasing pricing.

Yep, the Indians pulled the plug on FGFA, and in the process cut most of the proposed funding for PAK-FA, for all their money and time? the Indians didn't get an hour of stick time, or a thimble full of tech data.... all they got was "ticked off"?

 

[Dizasta1]

I do not think so. Like I said in another thread in 2017 Russia earned more with agricultural produce than weapons exports.

No sovereign nation with an independent policy will want to touch the F-35 with a barge pole because neither can the source code be inspected, nor can you disable the phone home logistics software used for maintenance. Unless you are Israel and I am unsure that even they have access to the source code. Russia is never going to sell much to NATO countries or other USA vassal states so, that leaves them with what? China, India, Middle Eastern countries, and Algeria. Because their other clients have enough trouble to pay for a Su-35 let alone a stealth aircraft, like the Su-57, which would cost them twice as much. Also China has been making large inroads into those other countries, like African states and some Southeast Asian states, which cannot afford top notch Russian hardware. If anything I think Russia should have had a cheap 4+ generation single engine fighter to compete with the Grippen and the JF-17 for those countries which can purchase neither of them for some reason. The MiG-29 was a sales disaster because it is both too expensive and has too little capabilities. If you upgrade it, it then becomes more expensive than the much more capable Su-27 derivatives because of the low production rate. Still, quite soon that 4th gen single-engine market will be flooded with 2nd hand F-16s once NATO countries and other USA vassal states upgrade to the F-35. They'll be so cheap, it will be like the Leopard 2 exports a decade back, but in an even wider scale. So the window for selling cheap single engine aircraft is closing quite fast. The Grippen NG might have a chance because it has better specs than an F-16 and the Swedes lease them but the other alternatives will flop I think.

The Su-27 also came online like a decade after the F-15 and still enjoyed tremendous sales. The Su-27 had an horrendously troubled development program with multiple pilot fatalities in testing. If anything I think the Russians need the time to get the Su-57 right. Both the new engine and the mass production of composite aircraft. The Chinese have not managed to export the J-10 let alone the J-20 even if they wanted to export it at this stage which, it seems, they do not. All J-20 production is for the Chinese market at this point.

A couple years back I would not have given the Russians a chance in hell of mass producing the Su-57 with their available capabilities without some sort of design compromise. But go back to today and the Izdelie 30 engine is in flight testing. The Irkut MC-21 features a large all composite wing which signals to me that they have managed to master the construction of large composite panels in a cost effective manner. Where there is more uncertainly is in the avionics, radar, headset and other such systems. But they've had years of flying test beds to fine tune the avionics software, so it should at least fly well. I know they have enough high performance native processor designs to do the signal processing if they decide to go that route. The Elbrus-8S has 500 GFlops performance and is manufactured at 28 nm which is a widely available manufacturing node. It has more power than the processors used in the F-22. Quite likely more compute power than the processors used in the early iterations of the F-35 as well. Even if they had no such capabilities even off the shelf microprocessors would be able to handle the task for at least the initial production run. Also, in due time, given that you can even buy things like AR and VR headsets in the personal consumer market today, do you think those won't be available to other nation states forever?

Buying second hand F-16s, even if they were dirt cheap, doesn't mean squat. For when any country wants to buy F-16s, they would bare in mind that the OEM is America. And buying anything American would come with a heavy price. In other words, do as you are told (by America) or put your F-16s in the scrap yard. Because that is what they would be heading if you as a country want to exercize independent foreign policy.

Turkey and India now have CAATSA hanging over their heads, like a sword. Europe is "ordered" by America not to buy Russian Oil & Gas, or else. Pakistan is told that no IMF bailout would be forthcoming, if the money is used to pay off Chinese loans. So the pattern is quite clear for any sensible country, to see. And if they truly are attempting to forge ahead with a progressive future. Then they would know to stay well clear of buying any "American" military hardware.

 

[timepass]

Russian Fifth-Gen Stealth Fighter to Get Artificial Intelligence – Source

Russia’s fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets will have enhanced artificial intellect capabilities, bringing it a step closer to the next-generation unmanned fighters, a source in aviation industry told Sputnik.

"There are plans to equip Su-57 warplanes with an AI system that will bring it closer to a sixth-generation unmanned aircraft," the source said.

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[DGBJCLAU]

I was wondering if anyone here has taken interest in the recently released documentary about the Su-57.

I found the 3-episode series with Chinese subtitles here:

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But I don't think there is any English subtitles available.

Original YouTube link (episode 1):

Thoughts?

(I can sum things up roughly from the Chinese subs upon request.)

 

[ougoah]

I was wondering if anyone here has taken interest in the recently released documentary about the Su-57.

I found the 3-episode series with Chinese subtitles here:

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But I don't think there is any English subtitles available.

Original YouTube link (episode 1):

Thoughts?

(I can sum things up roughly from the Chinese subs upon request.)

It's given us some pretty fine footage and close-ups. Su-57 is indeed a looker. Not much information given in that documentary though and it's from RT and like their other documentaries on Russian military platform recently, there is a significant political message. I've found most of them tend to exaggerate the effectiveness of the hardware they show but the same can be said of American and Chinese equivalents so no surprises there. Nothing really informative overall from what I can understand from the Chinese subtitles. Claims of sensors all over the plane is unsurprising and seems to be worded in a way that suggests it is integrated as part of the skin rather than simply placing sensor modules all over the place like F-35's DAS.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I was wondering if anyone here has taken interest in the recently released documentary about the Su-57.

I found the 3-episode series with Chinese subtitles here:

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But I don't think there is any English subtitles available.

Original YouTube link (episode 1):

Thoughts?

(I can sum things up roughly from the Chinese subs upon request.)

I think this is "From T-50 to Su-57". From what I've heard the Russian to Chinese translation (done through a translation company via a Chinese military fan for purportedly a pretty hefty sum) is not that good since a lot of the technical terms are incorrectly translated.

 

[DGBJCLAU]

it's from RT

Largely agree but it is Zvezda not RT (if it was RT then they should do us a favor and produce official English subtitles).

I think this is "From T-50 to Su-57". From what I've heard the Russian to Chinese translation (done through a translation company via a Chinese military fan for purportedly a pretty hefty sum) is not that good since a lot of the technical terms are incorrectly translated.

A military fan yes but I have to admit this is the first time I've heard about a translation company involved? There are different versions of Chinese subtitles online, though, and I haven't paid attention to all of them. Just saying some of the technicality translation discrepancies have been discussed under the video in Chinese (from what I see).

 

[Hyperwarp]

Su-57 by Vadim Savitsky -

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[Dizasta1]

Su-57 by Vadim Savitsky -

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Russians are masters in aircraft design, Su-57 looks amazing!