Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)
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Well they will have a space faring Mig-41 soon! So don't be so quick to think poorly of the Russian experts. Also a new top of the line stealth bomber. I can guarantee it's not a paper project. Unnamed sources have seen it fly to Mars and back on one tank of gas.
I'll reply on behalf of B787. No need for those fake signature enhancing things. That's a Lockheed Martin scam designed to feed the public the lie that there are actual planes that are hard to detect and track. China just uses them because they copied the blue prints from LM so they don't know those devices are pointless and part of this lie. Su-57 is coated in three layers of plasma stealth which is real and definitely not a lie. It's ultimate form is a fighter that's invisible to even the naked eye. That's just the tip of the Su-57 ability iceberg. One Su-57 > 12 F-35 > all J-20s to ever be built.
They did claim that they'll use high energy laser on the MIG-41 and that it'll be capable of intercepting ballistic missiles
. Sky is the limit when it comes to certain claims by the Russian media.
I think here You are wrong again!
First of all - at least from what I know this is NOT a regular R-77, which has NO folding fins. IMO no operational R-77 has this item and Your image clearly shows that the fin-mounting is different. This image above shows only the variant capable with folding fins, but this is not a regular R-77.
But if You present an officially confirmed source - and not a simple fan-site - I will believe You.
And second You are again twisting arguments: Brat was arguing on these small side bay, not the main bays and as such I really don't know what this image should show us in relevance to the question of "is it a bay or not" and what weapon could it hold.
The main bays are not related to the small ones and even more they are showing a wishfull-thinking fan-load of 6 R-77. It can however hold only four - at least in the current form - , period.
Again, our argument are the side bays, which can only hold one R-74 each ... therefore again why arguing with a wrong image of an R-77 with folding wings, with the main bay and the wrong missile??
Could it be that You are simply mixing two different AAMs - aka the R-74 and R-77 - and even more in different variants??
Deino
First of all - at least from what I know this is NOT a regular R-77, which has NO folding fins. IMO no operational R-77 has this item and Your image clearly shows that the fin-mounting is different. This image above shows only the variant capable with folding fins, but this is not a regular R-77.
But if You present an officially confirmed source - and not a simple fan-site - I will believe You.
And second You are again twisting arguments: Brat was arguing on these small side bay, not the main bays and as such I really don't know what this image should show us in relevance to the question of "is it a bay or not" and what weapon could it hold.
The main bays are not related to the small ones and even more they are showing a wishfull-thinking fan-load of 6 R-77. It can however hold only four - at least in the current form - , period.
Again, our argument are the side bays, which can only hold one R-74 each ... therefore again why arguing with a wrong image of an R-77 with folding wings, with the main bay and the wrong missile??
Could it be that You are simply mixing two different AAMs - aka the R-74 and R-77 - and even more in different variants??
Deino
20 years later?
Don't be like fanboys.
It's an excellent air superiority fighter with known deficiencies, and little more than that.
Is there a certain reason why You again mix both missiles ???
Plain and simple: The T50 can carry 4 R-77 (two in each main bay) and 2 R-74 (one in each side bay), nothing more; at least in its current form.
Or will You again argue I have no official report on that? ... But then please present us official ones that the T50 can carry 3 R-77 in each bay and even more one in each side bay.
Deino
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they would get an RCS of a bumble bee though LOL
After looking at the models inverted, its obvious that the "side bays" are in reality covered, recessed "hard points",, in what are rather apparently enlarged fairings, covering the outboard wing sections attach point..
So my apologies,,, when I state there are NO "side-bays", I was referring to bays housed in the fuselage/engine nacelles,,, and the main bays are very shallow in comparison with the J-20/F-22..
anyway, there is apparently an extending "trellis" from those wing attach fairings, carrying what is obviously a very small short range AAM, the R-74?? so we haven't seen these fairings opened in actual aircraft operations.
So I wish to correct my erroneous statement, and apologies to all, Brat
Su-57 looks like heavily modified Flanker design. It's almost like Russia didn't have the budget for a new design from scratch so they just heavily modified Flanker frame design and came up with Su-57.
It also doesn't look very stealthy. I seriously doubt it can rival F-22 or F-35.
It also doesn't look very stealthy. I seriously doubt it can rival F-22 or F-35.