Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)
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But that's in response to someone else's claim that they could be using Su-57 to simulate the effectiveness of stealth. A logical absurdity. That comment wasn't aimed at you but you chose to respond without understanding the context of the conversation.
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I know I'm a new posting member here (read for a decade at least) and maybe too enthusiastic and noisy. But there's just been so much bullshit said in the past. I don't mean to trigger people and completely rubbish everything Russian. Please don't be offended by any of this. It's all still just speculation. We'll see how things turn out to actually be if we're lucky.... or unlucky depending on how things unfold. But most of these ramblings were reactions and responses to the complete crap B787 was spouting a few pages ago. There's no evidence of Russian superiority over the F-35 platform. So let's not pretend there is.
Add some range, and/or artificially limit radar power output, it isn't that hard.
P.s. my tablet PC doesn't like chinese Internet frequences,(goddamn Sony) so sometimes I miss pages and/or phrases, regardless of my wishes. :-(
Looking back now, we can see the Russians made a mistake in prioritising maneuverability over Stealth for the Su-57 as we're moving to a world where a high-intensity air superiority conflict is about a survivable battle network, rather than the agility of the individual planes.
Against an opponent with their own VLO aircraft and anti-VLO sensors, it looks like the Su-57 simply doesn't have enough stealth to avoid early detection by its opponent. And therefore it cannot serve as an undetectable/untargetable sensor node for the battle network.
And if you can *see* it, you can hit it.
Against an opponent with their own VLO aircraft and anti-VLO sensors, it looks like the Su-57 simply doesn't have enough stealth to avoid early detection by its opponent. And therefore it cannot serve as an undetectable/untargetable sensor node for the battle network.
And if you can *see* it, you can hit it.
b787
Captain
Sukhoi can build anything similar to F-22 but why Russia has to make a copy and repeat the same aerodynamic limitation F-22 has?
Pakfa was designed as it is by design, the only limitation it has now it is its engine.
Stealth is a lot of propaganda, Lockheed is a monopoly, basically burning money while million of Americans can not afford housing or health insurance, what will they say F-35 is crap? of course not they will say it is wonderful it works so well.
No physical law says F-22 is undetectable, it is detectable, it is low observable upon some radar models.
Another big weakness is flight time they cost $25000-$34000 dollars an hour, basically they stay most of the time on the ground, to much sophistication means are delicate and break easily.
PAKFA was designed considering economic and military conditions thus excessive stealth was deemed foolish, building 5th generation is part propaganda, the reality is SAM and modern radars can cope with stealth aircraft at a lower cost, but business is business and Lockheed is a business.
Look at the F-35 of Israel down by a stork if we believe their story, so Lockheed makes bad bird strike tests but charge $100 million a piece.
The fallacy of your reasoning assumes that Russian aviation industry can produce F-22 like fighter. No evidence points to this being even close to the truth. On top of this, you assume Kremlin propaganda is truth and American propaganda is false. Who has better living standards? Despite their troubles, they are living amazingly well compared to the average Russian, even more so now they have screwed Russian economy with fracking and trade sanctions. So F-35 propaganda automatically false and kremlin propaganda is true. Okay sure. Any plane hit by bird will have problems especially single engined ones. That's true for Chinese, American, and Russian planes. So your inclusion of that as some sort of evidence to F-35's shortcomings is confusing and worthless. There is no concrete proof that USAF 5th gen fighters are significantly more delicate compared to legacy ones. The only people who keep shouting this are the F-35 detractors and Russian chauvinists. The official USAF sources claim otherwise and yes they have an incentive to, but so do these Russians and the typical paid detractors. They have an obvious agenda as well. Is it a coincidence that the official sources have now shut up (they don't have anything to prove since they know the capability of their fighter) and the typical trolls are still at it even now 5 years in, they invent more bs crap that keeps getting debunked. I used to be part of that group, they are convincing but doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.
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Engineer
Major
The Su-57 is a flop. Some fanboys just have their head so far up their own ass to see it.
The Russian could not build anything similar to the F-22, not even close. That's why the Su-57 shares no resemblance with F-22, F-35 or J-20. All that talk about Su-57 being purposely designed the way it is is just propaganda to hide Russians lost of design capabilities.
The Russians could not reliably come up with a total new design. The easiest way to ensure Su-57 doesn't have worse flying characteristics than existing Flankers is to use the existing Flanker design. That is exactly what the Russians did, but limits what goes on the Su-57. That's why there is no innovation on the Su-57: the aerodynamics stuck in 1970's, the design of air inlets stuck in 1970's, and the engines are still based off of those first developed in 1970's.
The Russian could not build anything similar to the F-22, not even close. That's why the Su-57 shares no resemblance with F-22, F-35 or J-20. All that talk about Su-57 being purposely designed the way it is is just propaganda to hide Russians lost of design capabilities.
The Russians could not reliably come up with a total new design. The easiest way to ensure Su-57 doesn't have worse flying characteristics than existing Flankers is to use the existing Flanker design. That is exactly what the Russians did, but limits what goes on the Su-57. That's why there is no innovation on the Su-57: the aerodynamics stuck in 1970's, the design of air inlets stuck in 1970's, and the engines are still based off of those first developed in 1970's.
Engineer
Major
The Russians weren't in a position to prioritize anything.
Exactly. It also doesn't matter if stealth aircraft can be seen. Anti-stealth radar is huge, and cannot be fitted inside fighter aircraft. So, the Su-57 won't be able see stealth aircraft.