Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[aksha]

from what i hear ,all indications are that the Indian Version is back to level ZERO

that is after roller coaster journey which looks like this

200 Joint Venture FGFA to 140 JV FGFA to 140 PAK FA MKI to 60 PAK FA MKI to 60 PAK FA brought off shelf back to 200 FGFA JV,
could mean that the original two seater could be back as well.
the preliminary design already exists , and has been agreed by both sides

The IAF cheif recently said that he will need Fifth gen Fighters only in 2030,
so they still have time for joint developement


NOTE:this will be possible only if the Indian Rafale deal goes down, thus transferring funds to the FGFA

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Senior officials have told ET that the joint development model is now on track with Parrikar backing the development and production of the fighter as part of the Make in India initiative. Objections that had been raised by the air force - are likely to be addressed with a collaborative development approach.

"The qualitative requirements for the fighter have been drawn up by the air force and those will be met with the joint development project. The ministry is keen to carry forward the project and not just buy some fighters off the shelf as was suggested by certain quarters," an official involved in the process told ET

While the final commercial aspects - the investments to be made by either side as well as the work share agreement - are likely to be concluded within the next few months, the deciding factor on going ahead will be the availability of funds with the air force to take on the project.

The air force budget has been strained with a series of high value acquisitions and ongoing payments for upgrades and transport aircraft and the addition of the Rafale fighter deal - expected to cost over Rs 60,000 - could leave its spending power limited over the next 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]

 

[b787]

from Jane's

FGFA nice concept

 

[b787]

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[Air Force Brat]

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So we "know" at least that 052 is airworthy, do we have recent pictures of any of the other prototypes flying? and wasn't 6-2 supposed to have first flighted by now??

 

[b787]

So we "know" at least that 052 is airworthy, do we have recent pictures of any of the other prototypes flying? and wasn't 6-2 supposed to have first flighted by now??

all the 5 prototypes are flying, the Russianplanes websiite only post monthly pictures of different aircraft, sometimes is 051, some times 053 and so on, but no new prototypes besides those 5 have flown up to my knowledge.
In fact the website has pictures of all the prototypes since August 2015

In the latest video i posted, it said the 055 problem in 2014 was the engine, there was no structural problem according to the video, it also said the Himalaya system is what will help T-50 detect stealth aircraft

 

[Epsilon]

and why the Russians are so reluctant to let the Indians get behind the wheel to fly the thing for themselves.

It is not a two seatter to make this easier. T-50 is still in testing state, and each T-50 tests its own thing, and there are select few people in Russia who are allowed to pilot T-50, and then you want someone from another nation to jump behind the wheel just like that.

 

[Air Force Brat]

It is not a two seatter to make this easier. T-50 is still in testing state, and each T-50 tests its own thing, and there are select few people in Russia who are allowed to pilot T-50, and then you want someone from another nation to jump behind the wheel just like that.

I am a pilot Epsilon, everyone who has ever jumped in an F-22 or F-35 has done it just like that, 5-15 hours in the simulator, so your argument is rather bogus, if you watch the Indian LCA flight demo at Bahrain, you will see an Indian pilot do something rather extraordinary in a fighter aircraft, he performs an inverted-outside turn. The Indians have 300+ million dollars invested in their airplane, they need to fly it going forward, if they were dealing with the French, or the US, they would have flown it long ago.

Airplanes all fly alike Epsilon, yes different classes of airplanes take different skill sets, but the PAK-FA should be as easy to fly as an F-22, or F-35, or Rafale, or Typhoon. I myself have flown a Mitsubishi MU-2, a very complex, treacherous old rip, PAK-FA is a pussy-cat. So the reason is lack of trust?? or is the reason that PAK-FA is very short of her objectives. The Russians have taken the Indians money, and made promises, now its time to deliver, the Indians expect to fly their airplane, and they want to be in on the joint development, they are sending a very clear message here.

 

[Epsilon]

if they were dealing with the French, or the US, they would have flown it long ago.

6 years after aircraft's first flight when it is still under testing? I am not sure about that. And India didn't even participate in its development so Russia doesn't have to do that and force/rush these things. I believe it took US more than 6 years to get a foreign pilot into F-35.

So the reason is lack of trust?? or is the reason that PAK-FA is very short of her objectives. The Russians have taken the Indians money, and made promises, now its time to deliver, the Indians expect to fly their airplane, and they want to be in on the joint development, they are sending a very clear message here.

We can only guess what's the reason. If India has concerns about T-50 flight abilities then its MAKS performances should be enough to erase them. We don't know who promised what, and where that money should went/went, we are not in the negotiation room. I hope they will fly their jointly developed FGFA, and/or PAK FA when time comes.

 

[Air Force Brat]

6 years after aircraft's first flight when it is still under testing? I am not sure about that. And India didn't even participate in its development so Russia doesn't have to do that and force/rush these things. I believe it took US more than 6 years to get a foreign pilot into F-35.


We can only guess what's the reason. If India has concerns about T-50 flight abilities then its MAKS performances should be enough to erase them. We don't know who promised what, and where that money should went/went, we are not in the negotiation room. I hope they will fly their jointly developed FGFA, and/or PAK FA when time comes.

6 years after aircraft's first flight when it is still under testing? I am not sure about that. And India didn't even participate in its development so Russia doesn't have to do that and force/rush these things. I believe it took US more than 6 years to get a foreign pilot into F-35.


We can only guess what's the reason. If India has concerns about T-50 flight abilities then its MAKS performances should be enough to erase them. We don't know who promised what, and where that money should went/went, we are not in the negotiation room. I hope they will fly their jointly developed FGFA, and/or PAK FA when time comes.

While you are partially correct about the MAKs performances, my impression is that they are less energetic than the SU-35, F-22 performances that we have seen. More importantly we are seeing a very limited spectrum of the T-50s flight envelope.

Furthermore our partners have all been flying the aircraft, and participating in the developmental process.

There is no doubt the F-35 is much further along than the T-50, one of the reasons the Indians have become insistant about flying it, if the Russians have cut their buy to 12, that would indicate that it may not offer any real world advantages over the SU-35?? Certainly not enough to justify the T-50s 250, 000,000 price tag?? that's nine figures?? that is a bunch of cash.

 

[b787]

While you are partially correct about the MAKs performances, my impression is that they are less energetic than the SU-35, F-22 performances that we have seen. More importantly we are seeing a very limited spectrum of the T-50s flight envelope.

Furthermore our partners have all been flying the aircraft, and participating in the developmental process.

There is no doubt the F-35 is much further along than the T-50, one of the reasons the Indians have become insistant about flying it, if the Russians have cut their buy to 12, that would indicate that it may not offer any real world advantages over the SU-35?? Certainly not enough to justify the T-50s 250, 000,000 price tag?? that's nine figures?? that is a bunch of cash.

If you watch this video you will see the T-50 Flying a controlled flat spin

I have never seen a F-22 do that only the F-16, albeit with a 3D thrust vector nozzle

Further more PAKFA is a Russian project, India has no rights upon it, FGFA is different, they need to pay first flight later, PAKFA at this moment is like the X-35 program, the series production or pre series production has not been rolled out, in Russian terminology T means triangular wing, T-50 means the design internal denomination, when the aircraft gets the Su-xx denomination it will be ready for production, Su-27 was called T-10.