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Soldier30

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In Russia, the production of new assault bulletproof vests "Oberig" has begun. It is planned to produce up to 2 thousand bulletproof vests per quarter, subsequently the output will increase to 7.5 thousand pieces. The bulletproof vest was developed with the direct participation of the military, the ceramic armor plate "Oberega" has a protection class of Br5 and stops the B-32 armor-piercing bullet from the SV-98 sniper rifle from ten meters away. The mass of body armor in full gear is 9 kg.

 

Atomicfrog

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Seems Peter the Great won't be modernized and instead it will be retired from service and the name will go to a Borei-II SSBN

The sinking of the Moskva could have created a chain reaction on the real status of the fleet. The Moskva was a zombie ship... If the Pyotr Veliky cruiser is really retiring, maybe it's to protect it from becoming an embarrassement ?
 

sheogorath

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The sinking of the Moskva could have created a chain reaction on the real status of the fleet. The Moskva was a zombie ship... If the Pyotr Veliky cruiser is really retiring, maybe it's to protect it from becoming an embarrassement ?

It was mentioned somewhere else that the crew will go to the Nakhimov. They probably realized it was not worth to modernize Peter to the same level as Nakhimov and better focus the money somewhere else
 

Right_People

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The sinking of the Moskva could have created a chain reaction on the real status of the fleet. The Moskva was a zombie ship... If the Pyotr Veliky cruiser is really retiring, maybe it's to protect it from becoming an embarrassement ?
Most likely, Russian fleet is for the most part junk (except subs), and a general mess.
Big capital ships that are 50 years old but no medium ones and so on.

There is also the issue, even if modern, there is the question, is it adequate to put resources in big ships any longer?

Seems like the Admiral Gorshkov class is finally ready to be made after the third ship of the class finally has 100% russian enginees, so the focus should be there, making the larger version of it, the Project 22350M . Which suit more the needs of the current russian navy, are smaller, more modern, require less crew and resources and so on.
Also I expect that they will finally scrap the kuznetsov and use the resources to make 1 or more additional 23900 ships.
 

gelgoog

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To me the real hunks of junk are the Slava class cruisers.

Just compare a Slava class cruiser at 10k tons displacement with an Admiral Gorshkov class frigate at 4.5k tons displacement.

A Slava cruiser can carry 16 anti-ship missiles, 64 long range SAMs, 40 short range SAMs. The SAMs are in revolver launchers. So the ship cannot properly defend against a saturation attack.

An Admiral Gorshkov frigate can carry 16 anti-ship missiles, 32 long range SAMs. The SAMs are in VLS cells. You can quad pack short range SAMs into the cells.

While the frigate can carry less SAMs they are in VLS cells so it can better defend against saturation attacks.

The Varyag has basically had the same maintenance as the Moskva. The Moskva had known issues with its fire fighting systems and they never bothered fixing them. The only Slava class which was properly upgraded was the Marshal Ustinov. Even then this was basically constrained to the electronics, combat systems, and the fire fighting systems. They did not upgrade the weapons systems.

The Kirov battlecruisers have a large upgrade potential. They also have an advantage in that you do not need to refuel them and you can go on long distance trips with them. Given Russia's lack of overseas naval bases, if for whatever reason their navy needs to go on a long distance deployment, the battlecruisers are basically the best option to do this. The question is, is it worthwhile to upgrade these ships, or are you better off building new ones. Currently the Baltic Shipyard, which built the Kirov battlecruisers, is busy building nuclear icebreakers. These currently have a higher government priority since they are needed to open up the Northern Sea Route for direct trade with Asia. They will be building icebreakers until basically the end of the decade. So I think it is unlikely they will build new battlecruisers before that. So I think it makes sense to also upgrade the Peter the Great. You won't be getting any more ships any time soon, since the shipyards which make these ships are basically all loaded.

Once they upgrade the shipyard at Severnaya Verf, maybe then they can make more frigates. But right now they are also fully loaded. The Amur shipyard needs to finish its current corvette program before it can build any frigates. Maybe you could build more frigates at Yantar in Kaliningrad, or at Zaliv in Kerch. But right now the main limiter on increasing frigate construction seems to be production rate of the naval propulsion units.
 
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Stealthflanker

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that jet powered one better to be worth it. e.g more payload or some other characteristics. While potentially lower in RCS but jet powered small drone would have considerably shorter range than one powered by piston engine (e.g Geran).

The specific fuel consumption for current small turbojet engine typically power such drones are in order of 1 Kg/Kg/h compared to some 0.4 to 0.5 figure of piston engine. The company would do better if they make something like Serbian ALAS or something like MGM-157 EFOGM.
 
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