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Putin basically thinks orders should be made for the MC-21, Superjet, and other aircraft to the relevant factories. Manturov defensively states they are still running the tests on the Russian versions of MC-21 and Superjet. Well the thing is after Aeroflot announced a huge order of civilian aircraft, I neither heard anything about financing for it, or for the orders to properly materialize. And the one aircraft they could produce right now, which is the Tu-214, Aeroflot suddenly decided they want it to be a dual-seat aircraft without a flight engineer. It is like there is no crisis on aviation with lack of spare parts and maintenance for Western imported aircraft at all.
The problem probably also applies for other aircraft which only recently came out of development. They should increase the orders to the manufacturers but thus far I heard nothing about it. For example where are the increased orders for the Ka-52M or Su-34M?
The problem probably also applies for other aircraft which only recently came out of development. They should increase the orders to the manufacturers but thus far I heard nothing about it. For example where are the increased orders for the Ka-52M or Su-34M?
It says it all that Putin has to intervene himself and ask such basic questions from his own minister who is bsing him.
The state bureaucracy is in shambles if they can't even handle such basic stuff without Putin himself intervening lol
Imagine Xi or other world leaders intervening in one of the hundreds of state decisions made every day. That's why big and competent governments have an expansive and comprehensive bureaucratic system to eliminate such idiotic ideas/proposals before they even reach a policy maker's desk, nevermind Putin's himself..
I do not think Denis Manturov is particularly bad at his job. For example while he was in his post they developed Russian mass production of carbon fiber and adhesive, they made the wing all out of Russian components. The wing was certified with the PD-14 engine. And the PD-8 engine seems to be in an advanced state of development and ahead of schedule. It is already being flight tested. This is way better than the situation Russian civil aircraft engines were in in the 2000s. Where I think they did wrong was lack of investment in PD-14 serial production facilities. They should have built the factory so it would have been ready for manufacture once the engine was certified. Yet they have not even broken ground on it yet, and have to make it in single units in existing legacy production facilities which lack the capacity to produce it. Part of this I think was because a lot of the existing orders for MC-21 and SSJ were with Pratt & Whitney and PowerJets engines. They also had success in replacing consumables for the Superjet inside Russia which used to be imported like brake pads. Development of other Russian aircraft components was also talked about for years but the contracts to fund their development only began being issued like last year.
I think this is what Putin is referring to. They should be funding the industry so that the production facilities and personnel are in place so production can begin immediately after certification. Not wait for certification first, and then build the production facilities, and hire workers. It can easily take a year to fill a factory with tools, two years to build one, and it might take half a year or a full year before workers are trained properly.
If Manturov has issues, I think, is that he is big on procedure, and in crisis times like this you need to cut the red tape. He is also probably out of his depth as a technical leader or industrial expert. He used to be a sociologist before he went into public service. Still he has been working in the boards of aviation companies for almost decades at this point. Compared to the wreckers who were in before him, who consistently cut development of hardware inside Russia buying everything abroad, I think he is doing ok.
I think this is what Putin is referring to. They should be funding the industry so that the production facilities and personnel are in place so production can begin immediately after certification. Not wait for certification first, and then build the production facilities, and hire workers. It can easily take a year to fill a factory with tools, two years to build one, and it might take half a year or a full year before workers are trained properly.
If Manturov has issues, I think, is that he is big on procedure, and in crisis times like this you need to cut the red tape. He is also probably out of his depth as a technical leader or industrial expert. He used to be a sociologist before he went into public service. Still he has been working in the boards of aviation companies for almost decades at this point. Compared to the wreckers who were in before him, who consistently cut development of hardware inside Russia buying everything abroad, I think he is doing ok.
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This is Putin style. Aviation is very personal to him. he has pictures in every airshow aircraft or factory visits as far back 1999.
Putin also visited Paris Airshow.
This Tu-160 will be his favorite plane. just the way he tour around the factory. only very committed person can restart it. this give confidence for next PAK-DA.
Putin also visited Paris Airshow.
This Tu-160 will be his favorite plane. just the way he tour around the factory. only very committed person can restart it. this give confidence for next PAK-DA.
He also wanted to fund that supersonic transport project. But with the current situation I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Still, yeah, since he is President Russia became independent in terms of helicopter and jet trainer manufacturing from Ukraine, restarted Tu-160 and Il-76 production, plus developed modern civilian transport aircraft which are not behind Western designs. Civilian transport aircraft, well anything civilian product period, were a major weakness in Soviet times and for the most part lagged Western designs. Su-57 was also developed.
Still, yeah, since he is President Russia became independent in terms of helicopter and jet trainer manufacturing from Ukraine, restarted Tu-160 and Il-76 production, plus developed modern civilian transport aircraft which are not behind Western designs. Civilian transport aircraft, well anything civilian product period, were a major weakness in Soviet times and for the most part lagged Western designs. Su-57 was also developed.
Supersonic transport is part of future technologies. This whole noise reduction is related to reducing sonic boom near population to make it acceptable for airports. Aviation is that make all the difference. Well understood in Middleast. A vehicle has to obey traffic laws no need for over engineered expensive vehicles. while ships are slow , need port cities and water ways.
The bigger thing however is the market size... who needs the SST's. Or how to make them actually affordable for mid-low class income or how airline can profit with it.
Well to think of it.. i never flies.. my only flight was in Army Mi-17 helo years ago.
Well to think of it.. i never flies.. my only flight was in Army Mi-17 helo years ago.
market size is will be there. it will start with business and government jets. than progressively increase in size for first class and business class passengers. 5G and 6G fighter extended supercruise range without afterburner is basis of supersonic transport.
infact Russia is pursuing An-124 replacement which will have even smaller market size than supersonic passenger travel.
infact Russia is pursuing An-124 replacement which will have even smaller market size than supersonic passenger travel.