TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And where do you build it? Where do you home port it? Where are the dry docks? The labor? The Budget?
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If you like a serious answer to it, I have targeted two possible locations as a study in progress. One is Severodvinsk in the Arctic, and the other is at the Zvezda shipyards in Vladivostok. Likewise the aircraft carriers can be positioned one in the Arctic, and the other in the Pacific. Forget about the Baltic and the Black Sea.
A Russian high-speed landing craft of the Caspian Flotilla was spotted off the coast of Sevastopol, possibly Russia has again begun preparations for a landing operation in Odessa. Project 21820 Dugong air cavity landing craft went into production in 2006. The boat has a jet propulsion and is able to move in shallow water, while developing a speed of 65 km / h. The hull of the boat is made of an alloy of aluminum and magnesium and is armed with two 14.5-mm heavy machine guns and 8 Igla or Verba MANPADS. The ship can be used in stormy conditions with a wave height of not more than 3.5 meters. The boat is able to take on board, depending on the task, 2 tanks or 4 infantry fighting vehicles or 90 troops. The range of the boat is 500 miles, the crew of the boat is 6 people. Now Russia has 5 boats of project 21820, the construction of ships of this project continues.
The Russian Ministry of Defense showed the combat work of the calculation of the 220-mm MLRS "Hurricane" in Ukraine, the calculation of the installation receives target designation from the UAV "Orlan-10". The video shows the 9K57 Uragan version mounted on the ZIL-135LM chassis and put into service in 1975. In terms of the main characteristics of the Uragan MLRS, it significantly surpassed the B-21 Grad MLRS, the area of destruction increased 10 times and amounted to 42 hectares. The main task of the Uragan MLRS is to defeat the enemy at distances from 10 to 35 km; when firing at short distances, a brake ring is put on the head of the missiles. For the first time, the installation underwent a baptism of fire in Afghanistan, thanks to it the troops were successfully withdrawn, the MLRS carried out strikes on the Mujahideen concentration areas for a day, transport-loading vehicles brought ammunition without stopping. The vehicle develops a maximum speed of 70 km/h and has a very high cross-country ability, overcoming fords 1.2 m deep. The number of shells in a salvo of one combat vehicle: 16, salvo time - 20 seconds. The calculation of the combat vehicle - 4 people.
And the Zumwalt uses British engines from Rolls Royce. So the US gas turbine industry must suck right?
There were contracts to use German engines in Russian patrol boats and small corvettes. But after the annexation of Crimea those contracts were cancelled. And yet the ships continue to be built so I guess they must have found a replacement.
The Zvezda shipyard in the Russian Far East has a dry dock large enough to build a carrier. They are currently building the largest icebreaker ever there. This is a nuclear powered icebreaker with two RITM-400 nuclear reactors. Each RITM-400 has 315 MWt power. Project 10510 icebreaker has 70000 tons displacement 209m length, 47.7m beam, 20.3m draft. It will be about as large as a carrier.
Russia could build a carrier if they wanted to. But what is the use of having a carrier without the support ships for it? In real world terms the Russian economy's economic power is somewhere in between that of Germany and Japan. For some reason the UK can have two carriers, and you think Russia, with much larger economy and resource base can't build a carrier if they wanted to? Really?
Also, it isn't like Zvezda has the only dry dock large enough for a carrier. Depending on the size of the carrier the one at Perch in Crimea could build one. Zaliv shipyard at Perch has a 360x60m dry dock. And if you want to build an even larger carrier, you have the dry docks used to build the large concrete floating modules for Arctic-LNG-2 project.
Two dry docks of 400x200m each in Kola shipyard.
There were contracts to use German engines in Russian patrol boats and small corvettes. But after the annexation of Crimea those contracts were cancelled. And yet the ships continue to be built so I guess they must have found a replacement.
The Zvezda shipyard in the Russian Far East has a dry dock large enough to build a carrier. They are currently building the largest icebreaker ever there. This is a nuclear powered icebreaker with two RITM-400 nuclear reactors. Each RITM-400 has 315 MWt power. Project 10510 icebreaker has 70000 tons displacement 209m length, 47.7m beam, 20.3m draft. It will be about as large as a carrier.
Russia could build a carrier if they wanted to. But what is the use of having a carrier without the support ships for it? In real world terms the Russian economy's economic power is somewhere in between that of Germany and Japan. For some reason the UK can have two carriers, and you think Russia, with much larger economy and resource base can't build a carrier if they wanted to? Really?
Also, it isn't like Zvezda has the only dry dock large enough for a carrier. Depending on the size of the carrier the one at Perch in Crimea could build one. Zaliv shipyard at Perch has a 360x60m dry dock. And if you want to build an even larger carrier, you have the dry docks used to build the large concrete floating modules for Arctic-LNG-2 project.
Two dry docks of 400x200m each in Kola shipyard.
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That (what's in the picture) seems like an incredibly inefficient/old way of building ships lolAnd the Zumwalt uses British engines from Rolls Royce. So the US gas turbine industry must suck right?
There were contracts to use German engines in Russian patrol boats and small corvettes. But after the annexation of Crimea those contracts were cancelled. And yet the ships continue to be built so I guess they must have found a replacement.
The Zvezda shipyard in the Russian Far East has a dry dock large enough to build a carrier. They are currently building the largest icebreaker ever there. This is a nuclear powered icebreaker with two RITM-400 nuclear reactors. Each RITM-400 has 315 MWt power. Project 10510 icebreaker has 70000 tons displacement 209m length, 47.7m beam, 20.3m draft. It will be about as large as a carrier.
Russia could build a carrier if they wanted to. But what is the use of having a carrier without the support ships for it? In real world terms the Russian economy's economic power is somewhere in between that of Germany and Japan. For some reason the UK can have two carriers, and you think Russia, with much larger economy and resource base can't build a carrier if they wanted to? Really?
Also, it isn't like Zvezda has the only dry dock large enough for a carrier. Depending on the size of the carrier the one at Perch in Crimea could build one. Zaliv shipyard at Perch has a 360x60m dry dock. And if you want to build an even larger carrier, you have the dry docks used to build the large concrete floating modules for Arctic-LNG-2 project.
Two dry docks of 400x200m each in Kola shipyard.
The Kola shipyard is being used to build concrete blocks for the Arctic LNG-2 gas power project. It isn't a regular shipyard. But it could be converted to one. It would be a matter of adding gantry cranes and sheds for building blocks. The dry docks are already there.
The Zvezda shipyard in the Far East as pictured above already has gantry cranes to build large ships. It also has large sheds for building large modules indoors. It is the one with best conditions to build carriers at this moment.
This below is the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea where the LHDs are being built.
The Zvezda shipyard in the Far East as pictured above already has gantry cranes to build large ships. It also has large sheds for building large modules indoors. It is the one with best conditions to build carriers at this moment.
This below is the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea where the LHDs are being built.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Whataboutisum, the US and UK relationship is strong. Many members here even go so far as to claim the UK a colony of the US. Those turbines manufactured in the UK also used by them, South Korea and Japan to name a
Few are treaty allies. In other words it’s a safe supply chain.
Russian equipment using western chips/Subsystems isn’t a secure supply chain. Even before 2014 Putin was blustering against NATO and the US despite being reliant on them.
Engines are one thing chips are another. As you your self pointed out Russia has had issues suppling radios to troops. Radios are chips based systems.
Yes Russia did find an alternative supplier for its patrol boat engines, Chinese made ones which have proven troublesome. However the same source is currently unavailable to the Russians for chips as due sanctions the Chinese firms despite encouragement from the CCP stopped exports to Russia. This is a pragmatic choice as although they will happily buy oil and resources from Russia. Russia only represents 2% of finished product exports well the west is a high roller on buying said product.
Thank you for pointing out one of the other problems the Russian Navy. No Warm water ports other than Crimea. Which is a major issue for operating such platforms.
Again great point against them. The fact they were intent on buying French Mistral class LHA until Ukraine 2014 also comes into play.
Yet as you keep pointing out the docks are being used for other products and projects.
Source new boilers or power supply, source new chips and sub systems. Source man power, funds (Russia is behind Germany and Japan in PPP not actual GDP) from a Navy that is barely keeping the one Carrier it has operational, source additional aircraft and training, construct port and shore facilities for the carriers. It’s not a cheap investment and that’s not considering the amount that would likely be lost in the system or with sanctions.
Russia can make its own chips. They have facilities to produce roughly 18000 8" wafers per month at 90nm if they want to. Each wafer would have dozens of chips each. They also have facilities to build discrete components like resistors or transistors. This is more than enough to supply their MIC. Russia can make its own CPUs, and DSPs.
The imported chips they use are so common, and used in such limited quantities, they can be easily sourced in the gray market.
As if the US isn't dependent on imported titanium from Russia and the CIS either. Or uranium fuel from Russia. If Russia sanctioned sales of uranium fuel to the US, half of the US power reactors would shut down in a period of 6 months. And companies which make civilian jet engines would have to cut production from lack of already made titanium parts.
The imported chips they use are so common, and used in such limited quantities, they can be easily sourced in the gray market.
As if the US isn't dependent on imported titanium from Russia and the CIS either. Or uranium fuel from Russia. If Russia sanctioned sales of uranium fuel to the US, half of the US power reactors would shut down in a period of 6 months. And companies which make civilian jet engines would have to cut production from lack of already made titanium parts.
The USSR left Russia with enough industry to be mostly self-sufficient in many areas, and despite the Wild 90's neoliberalism, such industries didn't end as badly as it did in their neighbors in the West, namely Ukraine and the Baltics.