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Gloire_bb

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On the other side T90 production has reportedly stalled and T14 numbers are less than a couple dozen. Sending unproven half tested prototypes to the front lines is generally an act of desperation. See Germany WW2 with the constant push of crashes rocks planes and broken down super tanks that littered the roadside of all roads to Berlin.
T-90 production didn't 'stall'. They simply weren't procured for a whole decade, 2011-2021.
 

gelgoog

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NATO is sending primarily vintage Soviet equipment to Ukraine. Warsaw Pact stocks of mothballed T72, BMP 1 and BMP2 primary as the training and logistics to maintain and operate is already common in the Ukrainian army. With smaller numbers of Artillery, and vintage Leopard 1s being looked at.
It would take a decade to establish the logistics, training and doctrine to allow Ukrainian armed forces to operate modern NATO heavy weapons. The ATGMs that have proven successful were an exception due to the plug and play nature of such.
On the other side T90 production has reportedly stalled and T14 numbers are less than a couple dozen. Sending unproven half tested prototypes to the front lines is generally an act of desperation. See Germany WW2 with the constant push of crashes rocks planes and broken down super tanks that littered the roadside of all roads to Berlin.
The US sent the Super Pershing to Europe in WW2. Was it an act of desperation?
Sometimes equipment is sent to test it in combat. And the Russians have a long tradition of doing just that. They did it with the Su-57 and T-90 in Syria for example. They also supposedly adjusted the Su-30 and Su-34 upgrade programs based on experience in Syria.

T-90 production didn't 'stall'. They simply weren't procured for a whole decade, 2011-2021.
It wasn't produced for the Russian Federation client. But they sure produced a heck of a lot of T-90 tanks and parts kits for India. And sold tanks they made to several nations including Algeria and several other countries. The Russian government decided on the T-72 upgrades instead. It basically costs less than half the price of a new tank to convert a T-72 into a T-72B3M. You have to see the T-14 was supposed to be in service already. But it had huge delays. The price of a T-14 is barely above a T-90M and has way more long term potential. As is, they still lack enough modern upgraded tanks and that is why you still see shit like the T-80BV around. I think the older T-72Bs are with the Donbass militia units. But if the regular army is using those then it is even more of a justification for the upgrade program.

This is also the reason the Kurganets-25 program is seriously delayed. The Russian government decided not to convert the factory to Kurganets-25 production and continued with BMP-3 production. They made a quite substantial order for BMP-3 IFVs and then they doubled it again. Hundreds of BMP-3s. Right now they are busy converting the BMP-1 to the BMP-1AM variant. At least one combat unit has it already and it has been spotted in Ukraine. This is basically the same turret they use in the BTR-82A. It has an autocannon with 75 degree elevation you can use in built up areas. God knows what will happen to the BMP-3 production line. If they will continue to order it or finally convert the line. I think they will convert the line.
 
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Surpluswarrior

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Sometimes equipment is sent to test it in combat. And the Russians have a long tradition of doing just that. They did it with the Su-57 and T-90 in Syria for example. They also supposedly adjusted the Su-30 and Su-34 upgrade programs based on experience in Syria.


It wasn't produced for the Russian Federation client. But they sure produced a heck of a lot of T-90 tanks and parts kits for India. And sold tanks they made to several nations including Algeria and several other countries. T

This is also the reason the Kurganets-25 program is seriously delayed. The Russian government decided not to convert the factory to Kurganets-25 production and continued with BMP-3 production.

Yes. Russia produced many T-90s for foreign customers over a decade, while neglecting production of their own.

The new T-90M is just going into service, as we see now. There was a company or so in a training regiment by the end of 2021, IIRC.

The thing about the T-90M is that it has the new battle management system. Testing showed that it was capable of working together with Armata-series in the system. This is significant, as it means they could put T-90M into series production while also gearing up the [slower and more expensive to induct] Armata.

Russian tanks are the way they are right now because of 2014. When it was clear that there was going to be tension with EU/NATO over Donbass, Russian MoD figured that it needed a lot of operational tanks quickly.

Original plan was to go with all the next-gen systems, like Armata, Kurganets, Bumerang. With some T-90 + BMP-3 stopgaps.

But the immediate need to counter all those NATO tanks on their borders led to a bigger T-72 modernization program than you'd expect. Because they needed those tanks fast. T-72B3 costs about $300,000 USD, I think. About 9 months to refurbish? That's a lot cheaper than a T-90M, which is at least $2m, IIRC.

So they got a lot of T-72B3 now, and numbers of B3M. Also BMP-2 Berezhok, although they started late with that. These were things, along with large numbers of BTR-82A, that could be ready for the 'next war,' which was already taking place in Syria. [Syrian army loves its T-72B3].

What didn't happen was rapid Armata development. For lots of reasons. But a large one was that suppliers wanted to charge too much for subsystems. Russian government apparently spent a lot of time trying to bring down the costs, with some success. A revolutionary vehicle like that also needs a lot of testing.

Bumerang was going very well, and could have gone right into service. But testing revealed that it should be a little larger, and also something about amphibious capability. So there's a version 2 that been in testing.

I don't know the score with Kurganets. I thought it was something like a more modern BMP family that could be produced in existing factories. If they produced BMP-3 instead, that would explain Kurganets delays. You'd think they'd just set up a new factory, but funds are limited as we all know.

So Syria + Ukraine meant an immediate need for many, many T-72B3. Enough to form tank divisions again. Looks like a similar situation with BMP-3. And they were sluggish with Berezhok. All the next-gen stuff took a backseat, while they used the time to test + train on them, and find ways to lower costs.

Testing things like T-90M is in character for Russian/Soviet army. Even something like the old SKS was rushed into the front-lines at the end of WWII in order to test it for combat conditions. They did stuff like that in the Winter War as well, but in a less coherent manner than today. SU-57 prototypes were flown around a bit in Syria, maybe the Terminator as well.
 

gelgoog

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I doubt the radar will be used for much longer in leading edge fighters once Su-57 production ramps up. And changing the frequency, especially with modern hardware, isn't a particularly hard thing to do. AESA radar typically operates on multiple frequencies for example. I think this particular radar might have at least like two frequencies. What I think would be way more useful would be download the software and analyze it. To figure out any vulnerabilities in that.
 

Chimpoo

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daily express is called tabloid primarily because its bullshit are designed for the one brain cell of people who don’t have another to rub against it.
Yes, posting a link to a Daily Express article , has to always come with the unwritten caveat that it is probably not the most authoritative of news sources.

In the UK ,the home of the traditional print version, it is now probably best known for Princess Diana assassination conspiracy articles ,that it has been churning out for more than two decades now.


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