janjak desalin
Junior Member
i don't think i'm alone in having thought that what i'm, now, interpreting as an overlay was the actual structure of the turret.
any other commentators have any input?
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
Are you saying that the turret of the T14 is basically like the earlier T series but they built a 'squarish' box over it? I'm still not understanding your interpretation.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Lots of pictures of the T-14 and T-15 at Russian Military Picture thread: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/russian-military-pictures-videos.t6885/page-68
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Okay A lot to cover here but each needs some covering
It deploys it's power from the sea and Air.
Russia's primary interests are it's neighbors, it has Nato who it considers a Threat and China both have powerful military forces. Russia has small ports but vast landscape much uninhabited. The Russian Fleet lacks the aviation assets of the USN and Although they have a good air force it's more defensive then the offensive power of the US.
Russian Insurgency war was on Russian boarders using military equipment of Russian Origin, being used by people trained by Russia. Vastly different.
Basically all the Turret it is Sensors, weapons, auto loader, ADS, turret motors, maybe a fire suppression system and some hatches for maintenance..
First the Rivets. Rivets and Bolts are not widely used in Tank building as a rule. why? because Bolts break and Rivets pop under extreme impacts. In World war 2 Italian tanks were known to be riveted it was said that on impact they would come apart This is why Some argue that the Turrets are mockups.
A couple points here 1st the Turret of T14 is supposed to be unmanned, To operate a unmanned turret you need a Auto loader. Russian Tanks have used Auto loaders for decades. the optics and targeting systems again been there for decades remote weapons that can be operated by remote again been there for decades All of this is there fore existing technologies already at it's base found in Tanks like the T90. but with one critical change, The Crew is in the hull. with the crew the most important part of the tank in the hull the turret does not need as much protection. in fact all it needs is a Shell to keep sand debris out, and there is a very good reason to keep the turret light as possible. Weight. by keeping the Turret thin and bare bones the Tank's weight and performance can be optimized. And what we see in Armada is a tank turret that seems paper thin focusing it's protection and using Active defense system.
The Russians and the Us are two very different models of military power and two different mind sets of military battle. The US has been operating against different models of insurgency and battles then those of the Russians. The US also has a different key strategic objectives and limitation. The US is on the America's it's closest neighbors are at best allies at worst in no condition to militarily threaten the US. The Us however is a Global Economic and Political and military Super power therefore it operates Expeditionary.
It deploys it's power from the sea and Air.
Russia's primary interests are it's neighbors, it has Nato who it considers a Threat and China both have powerful military forces. Russia has small ports but vast landscape much uninhabited. The Russian Fleet lacks the aviation assets of the USN and Although they have a good air force it's more defensive then the offensive power of the US.
Russian Insurgency war was on Russian boarders using military equipment of Russian Origin, being used by people trained by Russia. Vastly different.
It's logical that The Turret designed for T14 was going to barrow from existing designs as I pointed to earlier this is a evolution of there tank designs.
The critical change is the placement of the crew. by moving the Crew to the Hull the Turret no longer needs the protection it once held. but because the T90 and older Russian Tanks were already largely automated the tanks turret does not need all that much change. infact alot of it is just updating and deleting some unneeded parts. I mean a unmanned turret does not need a Air conditioner, The Hull does. moving a snorkel to the hull for the crew and engine. as well as all the interfaces and controls.
Basically all the Turret it is Sensors, weapons, auto loader, ADS, turret motors, maybe a fire suppression system and some hatches for maintenance..
broadsword
Brigadier
With a thin plating as the skin of the turret, it is vulnerable to sniper fire. I don't think its Active defense system can take care of that, not 24/7.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Small arms Sure but how effective would that be? the Turret is not thick and might not take a direct tank gun hit or ATGM but even a 14.5mm round would likely not disable the main gun. and if it did a few hours max and it would be back online.
Sniper fire and infantry fire might chew up optics and some sensors but that is about it. the most sensitive part of the vehicle would be the crew, safely in the hull and the russians would swing in one of there BMPT-72 or BMPT armata and chew the infantry up.
janjak desalin
Junior Member
Yes! That's my interpretation, that the angular, faceted, monstrosity that appears to be the turret is, in fact, attached to and over the actual turret and is primarily in place to protect the numerous sensory devices.
this image might give an idea of what i'm observing.
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
Ok, yes in that case I think Ure observation is correct and as TE has pointed out makes perfect sense. 3 men crew all inside the main hull. Turret is light weight and doesn't really need any life support equipment. Think of it as an IFV's turret on steroids. Just strong enough to hold the main gun, rws, sensors etc. Everything else is basically bolted on. This could also explain why a tank that size weighs less than 50 tons!
Personally I think the russkis may be on to something here but like anything we truly won't know it effectiveness until tested in actual combat.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I'm sure that played a role in the engineers's decision to place the rws there. To make light of any infantry trying to get any ideas on the turrete. Basically Urban warfare and lessons learned from American forces fighting insurgencies. Probably their own experiences in Chechnya etc as well.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Right it's a shell, a Thin Armor Applique to protect the modules from small arms and some heaver attacks. Those parts that "Inner Turret is what makes up the core of the tanks offensive fire power. The main gun and targeting system with some extra guns and a Active Defense system to boot.
Remember The Jordanian Falcon Turret and American Abrams Tank Test bed models.
very very small unmanned turrets little more then a tank gun and auto loader with a turret motor. That's the heart of it.
The advantage is not the Armor to the turret but that the Turret is not housing people. The turret is the most visible part of the tank the part that fires the main weapon and that is most likely to take attacks. by Moving the crew to one portion of the hull you can maximize the crew's protection around that spot and make the rest of the tank just a expendable weapons platform.
If you stripped off the outer shell I bet the "Real" Turret under it would look like one of these.
Remember The Jordanian Falcon Turret and American Abrams Tank Test bed models.
very very small unmanned turrets little more then a tank gun and auto loader with a turret motor. That's the heart of it.The advantage is not the Armor to the turret but that the Turret is not housing people. The turret is the most visible part of the tank the part that fires the main weapon and that is most likely to take attacks. by Moving the crew to one portion of the hull you can maximize the crew's protection around that spot and make the rest of the tank just a expendable weapons platform.
If you stripped off the outer shell I bet the "Real" Turret under it would look like one of these.