Russia Vs Georgia..a widening crisis!

Vlad Plasmius

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

There's reports Russia and Abkhazia are now planning to launch a major offensive in the coming hours involving amphibious landings maybe and an assault on the Kodori Gorge.

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Looks like this is gonna get even uglier.
 

Muffhead

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There's reports Russia and Abkhazia are now planning to launch a major offensive in the coming hours involving amphibious landings maybe and an assault on the Kodori Gorge.

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Looks like this is gonna get even uglier.



Is there anyway the Georgians can defend themselves against such a large enemy using conventional forces?
 

alopes

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It appears that Russia has decide to comfront with full force the military challenge presented by Georgia ( with veiled ultimatuns from allies) and will go to the end in this
test of wills and forces. This is in fact a dangerous game that Georgia put itself in.
And Saakasvilli wants, apparently, to bring the whole world to the fight.
Russia, apparently, will not surrender to the challenge.

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.......................Mulet said the observers were now at their base in the Abkhaz capital of Sukhumi to avoid getting caught in any cross-fire between Georgian and Abkhaz separatist troops.

Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said he had no information about what was going on in Abkhazia.

Pro-Western Georgia earlier called for a cease-fire after Moscow's bombers widened an offensive to force Tbilisi's troops back out of the region in the Caucasus mountains.

Moscow says its military was responding to a Georgian assault to retake South Ossetia and has launched a peacekeeping operation to protect civilians. Russia backs the separatists who have controlled the regions since a war in early 1990s.

Inside the closed-door council meeting, Churkin compared Russian's operation in South Ossetia to the 1999 NATO operation in Kosovo, diplomats said. Speaking to reporters, he accused the Georgians of committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

'OUT OF CONTROL'

U.S. Deputy Ambassador Alejandro Wolff made it clear Washington blamed Russia for escalating the fighting.

"This is a conflict that is expanding and getting out of control," he said. "The proximate cause is the massive escalation perpetrated by outside forces."

The members of the U.N. Security Council tried to agree on an appeal for a cease-fire but negotiations broke down because Russia has refused to pull its troops back to where they were on August 6 and insists on occupying South Ossetia.

Britain's deputy ambassador, Karen Pierce, told Reuters Russia was demanding assurances that Georgian troops would stop fighting and pull out of South Ossetia but had refused to give any assurances they would do the same.

"The Georgians have made an offer of a cease-fire and it's concerning that the Russians won't respond to that," she said.

"It's clear that the Russians are looking to prolong the conflict in some way, because they will give no assurances, either about a cessation of hostilities or about withdrawing their forces."

Wolff made clear he believed Russia bore much of the responsibility.

The Security Council may discuss the crisis again on Sunday.

(Additional reporting by Doina Chiacu in Washington)
 

flyzies

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

Russians bomb airfield

Russian planes have bombed an airfield on the outskirts of the Georgian capital after the Kremlin rejected international calls for a ceasefire.

A Georgian government spokesman said the raid had inflicted damage to the runways of an aircraft factory near Tbilisi but there were no casualties.

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FugitiveVisions

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The BBC reports that Georgia has pulled out of South Ossetia. This may not prevent a Russia offensive to capture Abkhazia, where they have reportedly landed 4000 troops from the sea. This whole situation reminds me of Deng's promise to teach Vietnam a lesson in '79. Deng wanted to both deal a military blow to Vietnam and display the weakness of Vietnam's supposed backer, ironically, the USSR. And here we are with the West giving lip service as Georgia is getting spanked.
 

RedMercury

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

But Deng pulled the troops out after laying waste to infrastructure. Will Russia pull out after destroying Georgia's ability to reunite S Ossetia and Abkhazia in the short term? I still think Russia would like to undo the Rose Revolution to kill the Baku-Tiblisi-Ceylon pipeline.
 

Finn McCool

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I want to know more about this possible amphibious landing? The Black Sea Fleet is out for a reason. It could be a blockade, and it could be a landing. The best way to attack Porti is by sea, as I indicated earlier because of its geography.

Here's an interesting piece of information. From Bloomberg.

The commander of Russian troops in South Ossetia, Lieutenant General Anatoly Khrulyov, was wounded yesterday when a column of armored vehicles moving toward Tskhinvali came under Georgian attack, state television station Vesti-24 reported, without saying how serious his condition was.

Seems to bode well for the Georgians.
 

kliu0

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

Dude....don't inflame the situation....and don't tick me off about Taiwan and China (I'm Taiwanese if you havn't noticed). This thread is on the situation in South ossetia and about the Russians and Georgians. Don't change the subject.

Apparently....i was reading the wrong page of the thread.....This message was for Alopes.
 

kliu0

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

Its weird....even though both sides called for ceasefires, they still remain fighting......its like they want to fight but then don't want to fight....weird....
 

Roger604

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

That remark about knowing the forces in the theater is important because it's striking that the Russian thrust has not really gotten anywhere. Maybe its because S. Ossetia is difficult (and very dangerous) to access through the mountains, so the Russians need to build up in Abkhazia (the plan all along) and make amphibious landing to really build up a force capable of threatening Georgia proper.

Time is not on the Russian side. If they want to teach a lesson, they need to do it much faster. They are getting bogged down instead.

The Georgian government made a gamble and it wasn't quite as stupid as people thought. His country was being used as a pawn, and was sort of half-expected to be sacrificed. (The move was carving away Kosovo in anticipating of a similar Russian move in Georgia.) Instead of sitting down and taking it, after losing the NATO bid, he decided to make a high-risk move.

Georgia is going to "prove" to the world that it can hold out against Russia for a reasonable amount of time. It also wants to prove that this is the real hotspot even while everybody is looking away at Iran, Afghanistan and Syria. And garner "international support." That would launch it on the path of having US bases at least if not full NATO membership. Currently, Russia has been given a bloody nose, so Georgia is looking for "international" involvement now.
 
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