Russia sells S-400 systems to China

Viktor Jav said:

At this point of time, I really stopped being impressed with whatever Russia could sell to China. Time really does matters in these kind of sales, every year of delay means another year of R&D on that particular field for China.
By the time the S-400 does makes its appearance in China, chances are that China would already have a domestic equivalent that is at least as good, if not better than what they were offering in the first place. Even if there isn't the R&D done would have seriously lessen whatever chances there is of future purchases.
The Su-35 purchase was perhaps one of the most drawn out and painful sales pitch that Russia could ever do. And a one off sum of 2 billion seems hardly worth it in the long run. But there is a lot more to the deal that we are not privy to.
Russia really needs to pick up a book on how to be a better salesman..................

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kwaigonegin said:

I'm actually very interested to read more about the S500. From the little I know thus far, it is hands down one of the best SAMs in the world.

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kwaigonegin said:

Rabbit fur and beef... I'm serious!

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Viktor Jav said:

At this point of time, I really stopped being impressed with whatever Russia could sell to China. Time really does matters in these kind of sales, every year of delay means another year of R&D on that particular field for China.
By the time the S-400 does makes its appearance in China, chances are that China would already have a domestic equivalent that is at least as good, if not better than what they were offering in the first place. Even if there isn't the R&D done would have seriously lessen whatever chances there is of future purchases.
The Su-35 purchase was perhaps one of the most drawn out and painful sales pitch that Russia could ever do. And a one off sum of 2 billion seems hardly worth it in the long run. But there is a lot more to the deal that we are not privy to.
Russia really needs to pick up a book on how to be a better salesman..................

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Viktor Jav said:

Well as far as records would suggest the S-500 is still not deployed yet. But if its specified specs are anything to be believe it is a very impressive SAM.
600km range would put it on par with the naval based SM-6. If this is deployed in any medium sized country, the entire national airspace would be a no fly zone.

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kwaigonegin said:

One thing Russia has been quite good at and more importantly maintained and preserved their knowledge base on is in missile technologies. While one can argue many other techs have decline or fallen by the wayside since the Fall of USSR, the same cannot be said about their missiles.

They have continued to invest in and make some very good ones on par with anything the US or Israelis can come up with. If I'm a NATO pilot I would be EXTREMELY wary and worry about S300 series and above SAMs even if I'm driving a top flight jet.

As to the Russia vs China argument, my personal opinion is Russian missile tech is still a tad more mature and advanced than China's at this moment in time. China will eventually catch up in the near future and perhaps even surpassed but that day in my opinion has not come yet.

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antiterror13 said:

I totally agree that Russian missile tech is ahead of China, but the gap is not significant enough for China to buy new SAM from the Russia (technically), but there is other possibility that China may want to have multiple system SAM to complicate potential aggressor

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antiterror13 said:

I totally agree that Russian missile tech is ahead of China, but the gap is not significant enough for China to buy new SAM from the Russia (technically), but there is other possibility that China may want to have multiple system SAM to complicate potential aggressor

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