Russia sells S-400 systems to China
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Equation
Lieutenant General
Another China please help mother Russia economically but don't say it to the world welfare system?
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Deleted member 13312
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Yeah, not like we have heard that for the 5th year running................
kwaigonegin
Colonel
To be fair the su35's equally long drawn out soap opera turned out to be factual
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At this point of time, I really stopped being impressed with whatever Russia could sell to China. Time really does matters in these kind of sales, every year of delay means another year of R&D on that particular field for China.
By the time the S-400 does makes its appearance in China, chances are that China would already have a domestic equivalent that is at least as good, if not better than what they were offering in the first place. Even if there isn't the R&D done would have seriously lessen whatever chances there is of future purchases.
The Su-35 purchase was perhaps one of the most drawn out and painful sales pitch that Russia could ever do. And a one off sum of 2 billion seems hardly worth it in the long run. But there is a lot more to the deal that we are not privy to.
Russia really needs to pick up a book on how to be a better salesman..................
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antiterror13
Brigadier
Well, there is hardly anything (apart from engine) that Russia could offer China right now ..... even now I believe China already have SAM system as good (if not better) than S-400. Russia should have sold S-400 to China 5-10 years ago. China has the latest HQ-9 variant like HQ-9C .. also HQ-26 and HQ-29
I would be as surprised as SU-35 sell ... if China indeed buy S-400 system
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True, while there is no official documents to support it. We must assume that China has made improvements on the HQ-9 which was first introduced in 1997, not just on blind assumption but based on the improvements that they have made with all of their weapons (HQ-16 to HQ-16B for example).Well, there is hardly anything (apart from engine) that Russia could offer China right now ..... even now I believe China already have SAM system as good (if not better) than S-400. Russia should have sold S-400 to China 5-10 years ago. China has the latest HQ-9 variant like HQ-9C .. also HQ-26 and HQ-29
I would be as surprised as SU-35 sell ... if China indeed buy S-400 system
I agree with your point, Russia should have pitched the s-400 to China as soon as it was operational in 2007 if it ever hoped of securing any significant sales. It cannot expect the success of the s-300 to repeat itself again in light of China's military R&D.
antiterror13
Brigadier
Do you remember that Chinese FD-2000 (export version of HQ-9) won the tender for Turkey ? The winning Chinese FD-2000 system beat the Patriot, the Russian S-400 and the French-Italian Eurosam Samp-T. Due to a political pressure from the West, Turkey cancelled the tender. But it was said that FD-2000 was the best performance in the actual test and the cheapest
Note that China wouldn't export their best SAM .....
SinoSoldier
Colonel
The Chinese have already inducted, or is in advanced stages of testing, the HQ-29 interceptor which should be a S-400/PAC-3 equivalent. So there really is no point in rushing the delivery of S-400s at this point.
antiterror13
Brigadier
Exactly like I said before ...... it would be totally different 5-10 years ago when China would need it