Russia evinces keen interest in acquiring Dhruv

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It is not likely that there shall be a link between the deals of the Dhruv and the 126 MRCA jets, as the latter are more costlier.

Besides, the 126 MRCA deal binds the supplier country to purchase defence spare parts from India to a value of 30% of the MRCA deal.

Thus, it is not likely that the Dhruv deal and the 126 MRCA deal are linked politically.
 
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wait a minute...if russia supplies the (mrca) migs, then why would it be buying spares from india? 126 migs are expensive, so india and russia might want to make soem other deals to knock the price down for both. basic economics.
 
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How about this for you. MiG-35 is out of the tender. The requirments have changed since Suadi Arabia got the Typhoon deal. The InAF is looking for something with AESA and perhaps supercruise. Meaning Typhoon or Rafale. Personally i'd go for the Rafale since it will arrive on time.
 
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jatt said:
How about this for you. MiG-35 is out of the tender. The requirments have changed since Suadi Arabia got the Typhoon deal. The InAF is looking for something with AESA and perhaps supercruise. Meaning Typhoon or Rafale. Personally i'd go for the Rafale since it will arrive on time.
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I still think F-18 with AESA radar is the best option. If IAF is truly looking for a multi-role fighter, then F-18 is exactly what they need. I thought the original point was to use mki as the air superiority fighter and then MRCA for multi-role. Anyway, an alternative would be to purchase 70 Rafale and then 130 Mig-35? Since the requirement has reached 200 now.
 
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Whats with the obbession with MiGs? They have great airframes but come on! With PLAAF,PAF,and even the Suadis I think India needs a jet capable of supercruise to meet interceptions fast and capable of multi-role.
 
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jatt said:
Whats with the obbession with MiGs? They have great airframes but come on! With PLAAF,PAF,and even the Suadis I think India needs a jet capable of supercruise to meet interceptions fast and capable of multi-role.
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they are cheap!!!!

With a lot of countries, it might not make sense to get Mig-29OVT, but for India, it's not the worst thing. Getting Mig-29OVT would also mean that the existing MIg-29s would be ugpraded to that standard fairly cheaply. Also, the infrastructure cost and such.

And also, if India plans to spend 8.5 billion on 200 planes, it simply can't procure all Rafales. Even getting F-18s with AESA would cost like $80 million each (okay, more like 50 to 60 if being locally produced). Still, you can spend an average of 42.5 million per plane. You can probably get Mig-29OVT for 30 to 35 million.
 
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jatt said:
Whats with the obbession with MiGs? They have great airframes but come on! With PLAAF,PAF,and even the Suadis I think India needs a jet capable of supercruise to meet interceptions fast and capable of multi-role.
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Give them a run. I do think the Ef is overpriced, useless and overaging. Probably not capable to handle a Su35. In paper the Euro-Crowd has always been ubervocal of it's presumed capabilities but it still a combat virgin and the Europilots haven't gone through any thing but a bombing campaign in Kosovo with as you know was a complete failure.
 
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Quoted by MiGLeader:
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wait a minute...if russia supplies the (mrca) migs, then why would it be buying spares from india?
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It is a legally binding contract on the supplier country.

Besides, this discussion is about the Dhruv and not the MRCA jets. Hence, I request members to not veer off-topic.

It is unlikely that Russia is interested in the Dhruv as a stop-gap measure.

Some points on the Dhruv:

1] It must be noted that the Dhruv is the best helicopter in the world under the 5.5 ton class of helicopters.

2] It has the world record of highest-altitude reached amongst all helicopters of all time.

3] The design consultancy for the Dhruv was provided by the MBB-of Germany at a time when Eurocopter company wasn't even formed.

4] There is no similarity between the Eurocopter and the Dhruv.

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One may research on the internet on these facts.

Another development on the Dhruv would be the addition of the Nag anti-tank missiles. This package would make the Dhruv one of the most lethal helicopters in Asia.

Currently, there are 2 avionics suites developed for the Dhruv: Indian and Israeli. The latter suite is more avanced, and shall be offered for tthe export version.

It is naive to say that the Dhruv is inspired from the Eurocopter.
 
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Indianfighter said:
Quoted by MiGLeader:
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wait a minute...if russia supplies the (mrca) migs, then why would it be buying spares from india?
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It is a legally binding contract on the supplier country.

Besides, this discussion is about the Dhruv and not the MRCA jets. Hence, I request members to not veer off-topic.

It is unlikely that Russia is interested in the Dhruv as a stop-gap measure.

Some points on the Dhruv:

1] It must be noted that the Dhruv is the best helicopter in the world under the 5.5 ton class of helicopters.

2] It has the world record of highest-altitude reached amongst all helicopters of all time.

3] The design consultancy for the Dhruv was provided by the MBB-of Germany at a time when Eurocopter company wasn't even formed.

4] There is no similarity between the Eurocopter and the Dhruv.

The 3rd and 4th points are for Pakistani members who spread the rumor that the Dhruv is a copy of the Eurocopter.

One may research on the internet on these facts.

Another development on the Dhruv would be the addition of the Nag anti-tank missiles. This package would make the Dhruv one of the most lethal helicopters in Asia.

Currently, there are 2 avionics suites developed for the Dhruv: Indian and Israeli. The latter suite is more avanced, and shall be offered for tthe export version.

It is naive to say that the Dhruv is inspired from the Eurocopter.
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slow down a little bit?

The best helicopter under 5.5 tonnes? I'm sorry, Eurocopter and Agusta have far more experience in developing helicopters. Do you know how many classes of Eurocopter helicopters are below 5.5 tonnes? EC-120, EC-130, EC-135, blah blah blah.... You need to show some proof other than reaching the highest point or such. The fact that it has rotor problem alone and asked for a recall should say something about its reliability. And I haven't even started to mention sikorsky and bell helicopter yet.

Just because it has Israeli avionics suite, that does not make it more advanced. Eurocopter and Agusta should all be better in this area.
 
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Red not Dead said:
Give them a run. I do think the Ef is overpriced, useless and overaging. Probably not capable to handle a Su35. In paper the Euro-Crowd has always been ubervocal of it's presumed capabilities but it still a combat virgin and the Europilots haven't gone through any thing but a bombing campaign in Kosovo with as you know was a complete failure.
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EF can't go against the Su-35? Dude, the EF may be overpriced, but the only equivalent to it is the F-22. Did you know that the EF outmanuevered TWO F-15's and locked onto one of them? Can an Su-35 do that? Also, the Typhoon will probably be able to lock and shoot down the Su-35 even before the Su-35 gets a chance to detect the Typhoon.

To jatt, I doubt India is going for the Rafale. Like Tphuang said, most likely it will be the Mig-35 or the Mig-29OVT. Why? Well, why would India want to buy Rafales when they are already making the PAK-FA with the Russians? And the Mig class aircraft are much cheaper yet they pack a pretty heavy punch (the Mig-35 is about equivalent to the Block 60 F-16).
 
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