Resource War/Financial Woes

AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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THen you either have a difficulty with retention or you are selective with what you choose to read , because my post 66 has talks about a person who is the complete opposite to chang
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To me that was just you trying to backtrack after all your Chanos and Chang promotion. That's like the same Republican friend I mentioned earlier expected everyone to worship at the feet of FOX News Bill O'Reilly because he finally admitted that the Iraq War was wrong. Yeah he was one of the last people. Should people reward him for being one of the last to admit it?

No/ Chanos was saying they both relied on confidence
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China is scrutinized all the time. It does not have the luxury of confidence. Are you bringing up the stock market again when I've already pointed out how the Chinese stock market has really nothing to do with the real economy. The Chinese stock market already was cut in half last year. That isn't a failure in confidence by your book? Again no collapse of the greater economy. We already know how many people in the West don't have confidence. And when people outside of China are given advice on how to ride the China bull, they are told to invest in non-Chinese companies that do business in China. Doesn't sound like a lot of confidence in China to me. And China keeps on humming.

You are approching the whole debate with a blinkered vision and merely drawing your attention to what Chanos said.
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All your approaches in here have been to believe in the negatives about China. You're the one that brought up Chanos. I only mentioned that he was relying on Gordan Chang, who has gotten nothing right, for his conclusions. To which thereafter you kept pushing their arguments. I'm not the one changing and backtracking my arguments.

Because this downturns worldwide/ people are more concerned with matters closer to home
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Then why are you and the naysayers spending so much time talking about China?

Goss and Chanos control close to a trillion dollars between them, you dont get that sorta money through wishful thinking
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And that's the same logic that surprised so many with this financial meltdown. The West is so advanced that it was self-regulating that no such thing could ever happen.

Didnt George Bush Junior say that as well?
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There goes that flimsy logic in the same regards to your comment about gay writers and Switzerland that you deleted.
 
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bladerunner

bladerunner

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AssassinsMace said:
To me that was just you trying to backtrack after all your Chanos and Chang promotion.
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Not at all, In my earlier post I said at college we were taught to look at both sides. Im not backtracking on my post of Chanos. Im merely providing balance.
AI also have a couple of English Immigrant aquaintances who had already drawn my attention to him as they had a retirement scheme which had money with one of the funds he managed, and they spoke highly of him.

And you couldnt have understood what he was saying, I was replying to Engineer with the view of another gifted investor.

But the point is you suggested that I never of talk about anybody else in this thread. other than Chang and Chanos, by my count Ive talked about two others GOSS an BOLTON:


Are you bringing up the stock market again when I've already pointed out how the Chinese stock market has really nothing to do with the real economy.
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Are you a expert on this? If it isnt so important then why do the Chinese Govt, spend so much energy into making it the largest in Asia.. AS I suggested take the wildwest/casino element out of it and it can play an important part in China's future. With a capitilisation of $3Trillion plus i bet other markets with a stalled econmony , wouldnt mind having.


All your approaches in here have been to believe in the negatives about China.

Are there not a substance of truth behind them? If I remember correctly it was only from constant exposure/pestering by the WEst did the Chinese finally acknowledge their banks had a high percentage of bad loans, by placing them in a specialy created body and then recapitilising the banks with a cash injection.. and Guess what they also wanted to get a Share market Listing so they could carry out some "Capitalisation". So much for your asertion that the sharemarket not being important to the Chinese economy


You're the one that brought up Chanos
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EXCUSE ME? WHATS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD? "RESOURCE WAR AND FINANCIAL WOES" If Chanos and co had his way, wouldnt there be a significant amount of woe to considerable millions of Chinese mom and pop investers? . Oh thats right to you theyre insignificant because theyre not part of the real economy. To me it smacks of callousness, something one might find in a ambitious card carrying member.....



Then why are you and the naysayers spending so much time talking about China?
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......err its a Forum concerning with things to do with China






There goes that flimsy logic in the same regards to your comment about gay writers and Switzerland that you deleted.
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I deleted it because I thought you would make a bigger deal out of it then was necessary, and you would fail to understand what it mean't
It Appears I am right again, with you going to so much trouble on remarking upon a deleted passage which was only there for a few mins.

Wrong again My reference to George Bush and your "if it looks like a duck...." association was in him taking a similar attitude towards Saddam and IRAQ. He certainly made a mess of that.

Anyway we are just going round and round so i suggest we leave it at that.
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AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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bladerunner said:
I deleted it because I thought you would make a bigger deal out of it then was necessary, and you would fail to understand what it mean't
Apperars I am right agains seeing, you going to so much trouble on remarking upon a deleted passage which was only there for a few mins.

Wrong again My reference to George Bush and if it "looks like a duck...." association was in his handling of IRAQ. He certainly made a mess of that.

Anyway we are just going round and round so i suggest we leave it at that.
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I didn't bring up gay writers and Switzerland as an argument. It was out there to read. Is this like how just because you bring up Anthony Bolton late in the game, we're suppose to forget all your arguments supporting Chanos and Chang like it never happened?
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

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AssassinsMace said:
I didn't bring up gay writers and Switzerland as an argument. It was out there to read. Is this like how just because you bring up Anthony Bolton late in the game, we're suppose to forget all your arguments supporting Chanos and Chang like it never happened?
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You have time and time demonstrated an inability to grasp my explanation for why I deleted it

I dont want you to forget it and neither do I regret posting it the article on Chanos

I have no way in this thread supported his actions in trying to short the market, though I do share with countless others that the Chinese sharemarket is overvalued, which is what the topics about. However you are entilted to form your own subjective opinions on this matter even though they are wrong and its getting late so i'll bid you goodnite.
 
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Guys, every week some bank analyst or hedge fund manager predicts dollar colapse, or UK colapse or break down of the eurozone, china meltdown etc

These views have to be considered, but only to a point. This Chang might turn out to be right, and if he isnt, it will barely be spoken of (aside from on this forum :) )

Russias colapse must be taken in context, they were isolated and had no lender of last resort except from their cold war enemies

China and the US are too intertwined right now for one too colapse without the other stepping in to help make the decline much more orderly
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

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I wonder if some of the reasons for why China's 'Stock Market' is what it is, because its industry is investment driven rather than profit. S.M.I.C. could be an example of this, where it is struggling and hasnt shown a profit for several yrs. Meanwhile Bank deposit rates have been coming down since the 1997 Asian financial crisis to about 2.52%
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IMO people then resort to the stockmarket and prefer a quick capital gain on highly speculative and volatile stock, without paying too much concern on the long term outlook of the respective companies. Of course thre are exceptions like SMIC whose shares have languished.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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bladerunner said:
You have time and time demonstrated an inability to grasp my explanation for why I deleted it

I dont want you to forget it and neither do I regret posting it the article on Chanos

I have no way in this thread supported his actions in trying to short the market, though I do share with countless others that the Chinese sharemarket is overvalued, which is what the topics about. However you are entilted to form your own subjective opinions on this matter even though they are wrong and its getting late so i'll bid you goodnite.
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I love how you try to spin an insult into something analytical. Gay writers and Switzerland had nothing to do with an argument you were making. You were taking a swipe. Just the last several posts of yours were more swipes than anything else. That's all it was as you usually do. It is you that resorts to veiled attacks on people's intelligence in here. Just like in the other thread where you called anyone who dares to say a good thing about China as "China apologists." And then later you complained of personal insults on you. Doesn't your "China apologist" insult tell you were you're coming from with that prejudice filled statement? And you expect the very respect that you don't give to anyone who dares to question your statements. Don't blame anyone here just because you can't defend any of your arguments and continually changes them to cover-up past missteps.
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

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AssassinsMace said:
I love how you try to spin an insult into something analytical. Gay writers and Switzerland had nothing to do with an argument you were making.
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Ive asked you politely several times to drop it so if you insist on wanting to look foolish

You seem to forget it was a response to your presposterous statement that because i posted an article with elements of Chang's beliefs, it automatically makes me a Chang supporter or anti China.or a believer in a imment China Crisis, you seem to have trouble determining the context its placed in and then jump to preconceived conclusions. Now point out in my posts where I have unquestionably stated that China was heading for a catostrophic economic meltdown other than something about a duck.
I questioned whethe,r If I was to post a article about gays to support a issue of some kind would I automatically be labelled a gay, the same intent with Switzerland as well but in a different area.
If a decided to discuss Hitlers "Mein Kampf does that make me a Jew hater?



You were taking a swipe. Just the last several posts of yours were more swipes than anything else. That's all it was as you usually do. It is you that resorts to veiled attacks on people's intelligence in here. Just like in the other thread where you called anyone who dares to say a good thing about China as "China apologists." And then later you complained of personal insults on you. Doesn't your "China apologist" insult tell you were you're coming from with that prejudice filled statement? And you expect the very respect that you don't give to anyone who dares to question your statements. Don't blame anyone here just because you can't defend any of your arguments and continually changes them to cover-up past misteps.
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A typical case of the pot calling the Kettle Black and I not backtracing o anything Ive posted in this thread like I told Ive told you earlier on. Once again you like harping on old history. Only once I questioned your name calling and you said it was a response to me using the term "China apologists" which you found offensive. I accepted it and have moved on, you dont appear to have.

I suggested to you that we drop it as the debate was going nowhere. THe last post of yours is nothing more than warped logic fit for the rubbish bin. One again you are making claims I have never asked for eg "respect".

If you find my posts so disagreeable , then ignore them, surely you can find something else to do that floats your boat.
 
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rommel

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GUYS, PLEASE, don't go further, both of you, stop here !!!!

If you need to clarify something please use PM
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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When I say enough, it's enough !!! This needs to stop right here !! I have already ask to cease this trading of word. I hope that I'll don't need to ask it again !!! It's irrelevant, off-topic and doesn't have it's place in this forum. If there's something you need to talk about use PM.


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