Reply The greatest military strategist in Chinese history?

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tres

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Chinese medicine is not science, in the same sense as western medicine. Once you try to understand it in the frame work of science, it sure looks crap. You need to understand Chinese medicine has it's own framework. In its own universe, it is a complete system, and works.

Basically, an illness is a symptom of systematic problems. Western medicine tries to understand and treat each problem individually; Chinese medicine believe that is crap. You can not treat a systematic problem individually, so you take the problems as a whole and treat it.

To the person who said Chinese medicine does not do surgeries. That is wrong information you got there. My great grand father and his brother were famous surgeons in traditional Chinese medicine and had patients from Japan, and performed surgeries on Pott's Disease in the late 30's. Before effective antibiotics were found, western doctors just bond the patient to the bed and try their luck.


vesicles said:
... with that said, on a scientific level, Chinese medicine is a complete mess. ...
I'm not totally discounting Chinese medicine. IMHO, if they want to develop Chinese medicine as a science, they need to totally scrap the current system and start anew.
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tres said:
To the person who said Chinese medicine does not do surgeries. That is wrong information you got there. My great grand father and his brother were famous surgeons in traditional Chinese medicine and had patients from Japan, and performed surgeries on Pott's Disease in the late 30's. Before effective antibiotics were found, western doctors just bond the patient to the bed and try their luck.
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It is said that Hua Tuo, the legendary doctor from 2000 years ago, was said to have been the first to use anesthesia with surgery.
 
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mobydog

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Start a new thread ? Nah.. it's just a mild passing interest, as regards to vesicles's bias post.

BTW, did you guys know the horrendous "Tamiflu" was derived from a Traditional Chinese Medicinal herb ? Without understanding Chinese Medical school of knowledge ?

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mobydog said:
Start a new thread ? Nah.. it's just a mild passing interest, as regards to vesicles's bias post.

BTW, did you guys know the horrendous "Tamiflu" was derived from a Traditional Chinese Medicinal herb ? Without understanding Chinese Medical school of knowledge ?

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I wonder how valid is the article... if it is true... damn! I have bought two boxes of tamiflu from my local General Practicioner who claim to be very effective against H1N1 virus. And it cost be a bomb!
 
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mobydog said:
Start a new thread ? Nah.. it's just a mild passing interest, as regards to vesicles's bias post.

BTW, did you guys know the horrendous "Tamiflu" was derived from a Traditional Chinese Medicinal herb ? Without understanding Chinese Medical school of knowledge ?

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Actually, it was derived from a Traditional Chinese.... cooking spice!
 
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solarz said:
Actually, it was derived from a Traditional Chinese.... cooking spice!
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Actually alot (in fact most) of Chinese herbs can be used as cooking ingredients. Traditionally, Chinese had mixed herbs in their cooking because they do not believe in jumping into curing of symthons, instead they believe in everyday meals, exercises, etc to get someone strong physically and so will not fall ill easily.
 
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sidewinder01

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Based on my learning on medicine and some experience of researching; I think that Chinese herbs works because it does have some sort of active ingrdient against bacteria/virus targetted. However, it is not pure; it is mixed with thousands of other chemical compounds that may be harmless or even toxic to one's body/////
Personally I think Chinese herbal medicine worked too slowly sometimes and have too many unknown side effects....
 
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Hi! frends, lets go back to original topic.

Maozedong published a poem in 1945 :

惜秦皇汉武,略输文采,唐宗宋祖,稍逊风骚,一代天骄,成吉思汗,只识弯弓射大雕.俱往矣,‧数风流人物,还看今朝.

About the meaning of poetry, said the emperor of Qin Shi Huang, Han Wu Di, Tan Taizong, Song Taizu, and Genghis Khan, they are not the greatest person. Of the greatest figures should be here today.
1945, is China's history of a turning point, the Chinese suffered bitterly from imperialist aggression and for a century, the first ╴ time to achieve victory in Anti-Japanese war. 1945-1949, Mao Zedong led the great people's liberation war, he commanded the Liaoning-Shenyang battle, the Huaihai battle, Pingjin battle,He just like Beethoven, creating these three symphonies.
he used Art of War combine with the last century war in China.He created a guerrilla strategy, and gradually grow fewer weak Red Army,When the Red Army in the long march period,He commanded the Red Army crossed the Chishui River four times, so that the enemy know what to do, he led the Red Army through the Dadu River, forced to cross Wujiang river, he led the Red Army out of surrounded and chased by serval hundred thousand enemys, finally arrived in Yan'an, the establishment of the anti-Japanese base areas.
He created the people's war strategy, with the rural areas surrounding the cities strategy, he developed a set of campaign tactics, large formation combat strategy, including does not care about a city and a land gains and losses,to eliminate the enemy's effective strength for the purpose. encircle the enemy that the fight against the enemy aid, all of which are included elements of the Art of War.
He created and led the PLA, the establishment of The People's Republic of China.He sent troops to participate in the Korean War, force the U.N troops from the Chinese border back to Korean 3. 8 latitude and longitude lin. 1962, China won sino-india border war.
the thread" Reply The greatest military strategist in Chinese history? " not say only ancient greatest military strategist in Chinese history.
Maozedong is history person now, he is the greatest military strategist in Chinese history.
Qin Shi Huang unified China, but he was born in a powerful state of Qin, his ancestors took 400 years for him to create the conditions for the unification of China.so,he is not the greatest military strategist in Chinese history.
 
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maozedong said:
Hi! frends, lets go back to original topic.

Maozedong published a poem in 1945 :

惜秦皇汉武,略输文采,唐宗宋祖,稍逊风骚,一代天骄,成吉思汗,只识弯弓射大雕.俱往矣,‧数风流人物,还看今朝.

About the meaning of poetry, said the emperor of Qin Shi Huang, Han Wu Di, Tan Taizong, Song Taizu, and Genghis Khan, they are not the greatest person. Of the greatest figures should be here today.
1945, is China's history of a turning point, the Chinese suffered bitterly from imperialist aggression and for a century, the first ╴ time to achieve victory in Anti-Japanese war. 1945-1949, Mao Zedong led the great people's liberation war, he commanded the Liaoning-Shenyang battle, the Huaihai battle, Pingjin battle,He just like Beethoven, creating these three symphonies.
he used Art of War combine with the last century war in China.He created a guerrilla strategy, and gradually grow fewer weak Red Army,When the Red Army in the long march period,He commanded the Red Army crossed the Chishui River four times, so that the enemy know what to do, he led the Red Army through the Dadu River, forced to cross Wujiang river, he led the Red Army out of surrounded and chased by serval hundred thousand enemys, finally arrived in Yan'an, the establishment of the anti-Japanese base areas.
He created the people's war strategy, with the rural areas surrounding the cities strategy, he developed a set of campaign tactics, large formation combat strategy, including does not care about a city and a land gains and losses,to eliminate the enemy's effective strength for the purpose. encircle the enemy that the fight against the enemy aid, all of which are included elements of the Art of War.
He created and led the PLA, the establishment of The People's Republic of China.He sent troops to participate in the Korean War, force the U.N troops from the Chinese border back to Korean 3. 8 latitude and longitude lin. 1962, China won sino-india border war.
the thread" Reply The greatest military strategist in Chinese history? " not say only ancient greatest military strategist in Chinese history.
Maozedong is history person now, he is the greatest military strategist in Chinese history.
Qin Shi Huang unified China, but he was born in a powerful state of Qin, his ancestors took 400 years for him to create the conditions for the unification of China.so,he is not the greatest military strategist in Chinese history.
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If you said that, why don't you look at Zhu Yuan Zhang (first and founding emperor of Ming Dynasty). He is born a beggar... was once a monk... and I don't believe he had much of an education. If you say Qin Shi Huang is not a great military strategist just because he is born in a powerful state of Qin, than Zhu Yuan Zhang would top the place. He had a much worst background than Mao Zhedong.

Not denying that Mao Zhedong is a great military strategist but we cannot just look at one's background and dismiss him being whether a good strategist or not.

There are huge number of people in China from history down to present days who start off with very humble background... even in recent history, none of the 10 marshal of China had very good background too.

Plus what Mao meant to say in his poem is mainly that Qin Shi Huang and Han Wu Di are good leader, but they lack very strong capability in literature, peom, music (in another word, they are brutes), Genghis Khan, on the other hand only know horse riding and archery (in another word, he is just a good soldier, never a great leader), Tang Tai Zhong, on lacks military power, therefore to actually see who is the greatest leader - he can only be found in present days. The main idea behind this peom is Mao comparing himself with old emperors of China... and found that he is better than any of them.
 
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