Renminbi (RMB)/Yuan Appreciation & Internationalization

Andy1974

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This is how much RMB usage has increased in cross border payments. Keep in mind that I think this data does include interaction with Hong Kong, so maybe the actual number isn't as impressive. They do need to keep increasing RMB share
I think it’s a wee bit deceptive because we should really remove trade with the USA from these numbers, what counts is the RMB share of non-USA trade, or in other words the RMB percentage in trade with the rest of the world.

And it would be even more interesting to remove EU and G7 countries so we can see the share of RMB usage with the non-west.
 

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China's CIPS (SWIFT competitor) did CNY 123 trillion (~$17 trillion) in business volume in 2023..

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Updated on CIPS

As you can see average daily volume hit 769.3B in June and has been above 700B for 3 straight months now.

I'm not sure if this is based on business days or all 365 days, but growth has been significant. But we could be at over 200T this year.
 

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so, Saudis are getting a little desperate here about oil prices and we know also know from recently

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Looks like the recent oil market weakness may push Saudis toward more openly accept yuan for oil

As we know, China is able to buy oil with Yuan from Russians and Iranians. That's a major advantage.
 

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Trump Demands ‘Commitment’ From BRICS Nations on Using Dollar​


(Bloomberg) -- US President-elect Donald Trump warned the so-called BRICS nations that he would require commitments that they would not move to create a new currency as an alternative to using the US dollar and repeated threats to levy a 100% tariff.

“The idea that the BRICS Countries are trying to move away from the dollar while we stand by and watch is OVER,” Trump said in a post to his Truth Social network on Saturday.

“We require a commitment from these Countries that they will neither create a new BRICS Currency, nor back any other Currency to replace the mighty U.S. Dollar or, they will face 100% Tariffs, and should expect to say goodbye to selling into the wonderful U.S. Economy,” he added.

Trump on his campaign trail pledged that he would make it costly for countries to move away from the US dollar. And he’s threatened to use tariffs to ensure they complied. Saturday’s threat took on new relevance as the president-elect prepares to retake power in January.

Trump and his economic advisers have been discussing ways to punish allies and adversaries alike who seek to engage in bilateral trade in currencies other than the dollar. Those measures include considering options such as export controls, currency manipulation charges and levies on trade, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trump has long stressed that he wants the US dollar to remain the world’s reserve currency, saying in a March interview with CNBC that he “would not allow countries to go off the dollar” because it would be “a hit to our country.”

The BRICS nations discussed the issue of de-dollarization at a summit in 2023. Backlash against the dollar’s dominance gained traction in 2022 when the US led efforts to impose economic sanctions on Russia.

While some potential dollar rivals such as the Chinese yuan have already made inroads, that has often happened at the expense of currencies other than the dollar.

Despite the group’s rhetoric, the infrastructure that backs the dollar, such as the cross-border payment system, will likely give the US currency a decisive edge for decades to come.

Evidence of this emerged during the bloc’s October meeting in Kazan hosted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, a champion of reducing the international role of the dollar. Organizers for the meeting encouraged attendees to bring US dollars or euros with them as non-Russian Mastercard or Visa cards don’t work in the country.

Economic advisers to Trump and his campaign have spoken in particular about targeting the BRICS effort.

Earlier: Trump Aides Discuss Penalties for Nations That De-Dollarize

“There is no chance that the BRICS will replace the U.S. Dollar in International Trade, and any Country that tries should wave goodbye to America,” Trump said Saturday.

The president-elect has already rattled world markets ahead of his second term with threats to levy an additional 10% tariffs on goods from China and 25% tariffs on all products from Mexico and Canada if those countries do not do more to stem the flow of illegal drugs and undocumented migrants across US borders.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met with Trump on Friday to discuss trade and border issues in a bid to tamp down tensions between the two allied nations after the tariff threat.

But other nations may consider ways to mitigate the Trump tariffs on their economies. China could allow its yuan to depreciate by as much as 10-15% in response to any trade war unleashed by Trump, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. The bank sees a 5% average depreciation in emerging-market currencies over the first half of 2025.
 

3SonsAndaPhD

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so, Saudis are getting a little desperate here about oil prices and we know also know from recently

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Looks like the recent oil market weakness may push Saudis toward more openly accept yuan for oil

As we know, China is able to buy oil with Yuan from Russians and Iranians. That's a major advantage.

Indeed, the recent China Saudi Entomic Zone is a BIG deal !!

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"Located within King Salman International Airport, the Saudi Arabia-China Special Economic Zone will feature three key areas: a logistics and light industrial park to bolster local supply chains, an international trade hub for streamlined business services, and a residential zone with quality facilities for employees and families."


Saudi also just openly rejected the US proposed defense treaty !
 

MortyandRick

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Trump Demands ‘Commitment’ From BRICS Nations on Using Dollar​


(Bloomberg) -- US President-elect Donald Trump warned the so-called BRICS nations that he would require commitments that they would not move to create a new currency as an alternative to using the US dollar and repeated threats to levy a 100% tariff.

“The idea that the BRICS Countries are trying to move away from the dollar while we stand by and watch is OVER,” Trump said in a post to his Truth Social network on Saturday.

“We require a commitment from these Countries that they will neither create a new BRICS Currency, nor back any other Currency to replace the mighty U.S. Dollar or, they will face 100% Tariffs, and should expect to say goodbye to selling into the wonderful U.S. Economy,” he added.

Trump on his campaign trail pledged that he would make it costly for countries to move away from the US dollar. And he’s threatened to use tariffs to ensure they complied. Saturday’s threat took on new relevance as the president-elect prepares to retake power in January.

Trump and his economic advisers have been discussing ways to punish allies and adversaries alike who seek to engage in bilateral trade in currencies other than the dollar. Those measures include considering options such as export controls, currency manipulation charges and levies on trade, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trump has long stressed that he wants the US dollar to remain the world’s reserve currency, saying in a March interview with CNBC that he “would not allow countries to go off the dollar” because it would be “a hit to our country.”

The BRICS nations discussed the issue of de-dollarization at a summit in 2023. Backlash against the dollar’s dominance gained traction in 2022 when the US led efforts to impose economic sanctions on Russia.

While some potential dollar rivals such as the Chinese yuan have already made inroads, that has often happened at the expense of currencies other than the dollar.

Despite the group’s rhetoric, the infrastructure that backs the dollar, such as the cross-border payment system, will likely give the US currency a decisive edge for decades to come.

Evidence of this emerged during the bloc’s October meeting in Kazan hosted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, a champion of reducing the international role of the dollar. Organizers for the meeting encouraged attendees to bring US dollars or euros with them as non-Russian Mastercard or Visa cards don’t work in the country.

Economic advisers to Trump and his campaign have spoken in particular about targeting the BRICS effort.

Earlier: Trump Aides Discuss Penalties for Nations That De-Dollarize

“There is no chance that the BRICS will replace the U.S. Dollar in International Trade, and any Country that tries should wave goodbye to America,” Trump said Saturday.

The president-elect has already rattled world markets ahead of his second term with threats to levy an additional 10% tariffs on goods from China and 25% tariffs on all products from Mexico and Canada if those countries do not do more to stem the flow of illegal drugs and undocumented migrants across US borders.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met with Trump on Friday to discuss trade and border issues in a bid to tamp down tensions between the two allied nations after the tariff threat.

But other nations may consider ways to mitigate the Trump tariffs on their economies. China could allow its yuan to depreciate by as much as 10-15% in response to any trade war unleashed by Trump, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. The bank sees a 5% average depreciation in emerging-market currencies over the first half of 2025.
Dude, stop spamming this all over the forum. I know you like to post these negative "strong US threatens weak China" news but It's already been posted 3 times.
No need to post it a fourth time.
 

Rafi

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This PMC gives me indian vibes, I apologise in advance if I am wrong, the Arab people are just like other people both good and bad, but this claim that they are some sort of global power is garbage.

Right now there are three great powers in the international system, PRC and the USA are more or less equal Superpowers. With Russia a distant third, everyone else is irrelevant. Harsh but the truth l.
 
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