Renminbi (RMB)/Yuan Appreciation & Internationalization

tphuang

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PBOC + various state bureaus + Shanghai local gov announced a plan boost cross-border RMB settlement from the World Financial Center. Lists 18 efforts across 5 categories. Mentions support for banks and enhancing CIPS.



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Given this is happening, let's take a look at the volume on CIPS right now
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We are at 175T for 2024 across the 250-260 business days. That's around 650-700B RMB per day. So, we were below that trend for Jan/Feb and then above that in March. Yesterday, we were at close to 1T. Let's see what rest of this month looks like. I think we surpassed 1T a few days ago, so maybe trade war is driving this up.


There are some mixed message about SWIFT usage ($5T per day), but other places I see much smaller. Like here in 2022, it says $140T per year.
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or here that says $150T
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or here that says cross border payment is expected to increase from $150T in 2017 to $250T by 2027
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China & Russia are using a netting payments system rather than CIPS which isn't really independent of SWIFT
Major Russian banks have set up a netting payments system dubbed "China Track" for transactions with China aiming to reduce visibility to Western regulators... Bilateral trade hit a record $245B last yr despite payment problems & commissions as high as 12%"
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tphuang

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SWIFT, communication, can be replaced by Gmail

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CHIPS, clearing house, core of the Treasury Departament despotic Power

CIPS, communication and clearing house

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With SWIFT you can send a message to CIPS. But SWIFT is not required to use CIPS.
right. you can do CIPS without SWIFT. I'm quite suspicious of articles that don't understand that.
 

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I've mentioned the difference between trade settlement and capital markets before. Significantly more progress on the former than the latter, both as a deliberate choice and as a comparative advantage. Politically speaking, the first is more defensive (less vulnerability to external sanctions) whereas the second is more offensive (you are the one imposing external sanctions).

 

Wrought

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I've mentioned the difference between trade settlement and capital markets before. Significantly more progress on the former than the latter, both as a deliberate choice and as a comparative advantage. Politically speaking, the first is more defensive (less vulnerability to external sanctions) whereas the second is more offensive (you are the one imposing external sanctions).


Ah, I found the piece I was looking for yesterday which explains it much better. Defensive instead of offensive focus.

But I think the argument of the paper is China's goal is not to dethrone the dollar. If that is the metric that you're looking at, that's the wrong metric. What China wants to do is to be robust and resilient to sanctions and to a financial attack. To do that, China only needs robust capital controls, substantial foreign exchange reserves, so the national team can come in and save the day if they have to and enough of these back channels and bridges, which could be CIPs, it could be MBridge, it could be Pakistani banks acting as a secret backdoor to the U.S. dollar system. It just needs a little bit of help from foreign partners using these new technologies to enable it to violate sanctions in that worst-case scenario.

As long as China is moving in this direction, the RMB doesn't have to be a major share of international payments, major central banks don't have to be holding lots of it on their balance sheets, but stealthily under the surface, China has built enough of an alternative plumbing for international payments that if we sanction them, it won't actually be as effective as we think. This is why I think it's a national security threat, it should be on our agenda, and we should take seriously what they say about the perceptions of their own vulnerabilities and strengths.

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GiantPanda

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I've mentioned the difference between trade settlement and capital markets before. Significantly more progress on the former than the latter, both as a deliberate choice and as a comparative advantage. Politically speaking, the first is more defensive (less vulnerability to external sanctions) whereas the second is more offensive (you are the one imposing external sanctions).


The former will create a pool of RMB outside China which will encourage people putting it to work, i.e. markets.

The key is always getting it used in volume.
 
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