Reason for China building WMDs

What happened to the DF-41 anyway, i was reading quite a bit about it not too long ago and now it seems that all referances of it have just dissapeared.

That was Chinas first true MODERN ICBM in the proper sense. It seemed on par with the peacemaker or the SS-27. I think it would still be around simply because the Chinese are making no mention of whatsoever. Seems they want to keep it as an ace up their sleeve...

If anyone has any info let me know,

Thanks

@ bd popeye

**-Really? Just how will the PLAN keep the USN from tracking the Type 94? And how many is the PLAN going to build? And how would the PLAN with it's limited logistical capablities suppourt a fleet( maybe 6) of Type 94 world wide? Just curious. Thank you!-**

Very easy.

The soviets created submainre basins on the kola peninsula. places where there was a heavy concentration of soviet planes, submainres, ships etc.

China has the Bohai sea


I doubt a US submainre could sneak into the bohai sea with its shallower water and large concentration of marine traffic and future PLA ASW detection capabilities

Or if you look south. hainan island


If you see the contrast between the lighter blue and the darker blue. Chinese submainres can easily enter deeper water without having to travel so much


This is all based on my assumtions about future PLAN ASW detection capabilities. Startgin from this point of having nothing(very little) to having a western force standard in 10-20years

Regards,

Chinawhite

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the u.s was never really seen as a nuclear target. the countries were still friends in the 80s. and china never, and still doesnt, have nukes that can hit washington.

Call me charmingly naive if you must, but I find it hard to believe that any nation with a manned space programme and the ability to put multiple payloads into Orbit, is unable to target any part of the globe with WMD, if it so wished, or lacks the hardware with which to do it.

MIGleader said:

the u.s was never really seen as a nuclear target. the countries were still friends in the 80s. and china never, and still doesnt, have nukes that can hit washington.

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are you sure? because according to numerous sources including the Center for Nonproliferation Studies and Sinodefence, DF-5 (CSS-4), developed in the 1970s, has a 12,000km range

chakos said:

What happened to the DF-41 anyway, i was reading quite a bit about it not too long ago and now it seems that all referances of it have just dissapeared.

That was Chinas first true MODERN ICBM in the proper sense. It seemed on par with the peacemaker or the SS-27. I think it would still be around simply because the Chinese are making no mention of whatsoever. Seems they want to keep it as an ace up their sleeve...

If anyone has any info let me know,

Thanks

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it is possible the DF-41 has been canceled or even more likely, put under complete secrecy, I know very little info on the DF-41 but like chakos said this might become China's best and true ICBM it has a range from 12000km to 14000km a wepon that aproches the distance of the US Minuteman III.

rice said:

are you sure? because according to numerous sources including the Center for Nonproliferation Studies and Sinodefence, DF-5 (CSS-4), developed in the 1970s, has a 12,000km range

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the DF-5 has a range of 12000km while the DF-5A has a range of 13000km

bd popeye said:

Really? Just how will the PLAN keep the USN from tracking the Type 94? And how many is the PLAN going to build? And how would the PLAN with it's limited logistical capablities suppourt a fleet( maybe 6) of Type 94 world wide? Just curious. Thank you!

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Currently there's only 1 Type 094 that we're aware of. If we assume PLAN would follow EU SSBN fleet model, then we'd expect the PLAN to field at least 4x SSBN's. Personally I think they should build 4-8 for effective secondary strike capability and deterrance.

SSBN's do not need to be deployed world-wide to offer effective deterrance value, since SLBM's have very long range. Assuming if the JL-2 has range of 8,000km, a 094 SSBN can hit the US mainland with its SLBM's from the coastal areas of PRC. However the true range of ICBM's and SLBM's are likely to be classified, and published ranges are best estimates.

With advances in space technology, I think it'd make fractional orbit bombardment system work. The SLBM (or ICBM) can push a warhead vehicle into low-earth orbit, approach the target from ANY direction, then drop in via deorbit reentry. Unlimited range within Earth's sphere.

rice said:

are you sure? because according to numerous sources including the Center for Nonproliferation Studies and Sinodefence, DF-5 (CSS-4), developed in the 1970s, has a 12,000km range

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well, traveling a polar route, 12000km would just be a bit short to reach washington, but it can cover at least 3/4 of the u.s, the weatern states and central states.china never saw washington as a target untill recently.

I would agree that the DF-41 program has been put under complete secrecy. You find that with Chinese weapons that do not make it into service there is still much talk about them, pics available etc.

With the DF-41 it seems to have just dissapeared off the face of the Earth. It would seem to me that the DF-31 is merelly a shorter ranged road mobile second strike ICBM whereas the DF-41 would be the big daddy. The true intercontinental Mirved (300kt+ 4+ warhead) missile.

I think the Chinese have gotten it right and as such have gone quiet about it. It would not suprise me one bit if this is the missile that they actually produce in large numbers.

It is easy to produce a mobile ICBM like the DF-31 in large numbers and keep the numbers secret even though the system remains public but with a fixed ICBM the second it is confirmed that it is in service it is very hard to keep fixed missle regiments easily hidden. As such i believe that the DF-41 does exist, will serve in large numbers (50-100 missiles+) but will remain a state secret for as long as possible.

Let the Americans think that their missile defence sheild only needs to defent against a small handfull of DF-5's for as long as they like.

the chinese had never intended to nuke the US! it helps to develop WMDS to scare others, i do not think China would nuke the USAthere is really no reason plus America has done nothing to threaten china and China is a defending country and only attacks when attacked. and the DF-41? uh just wait till the next national day parade, they will present it to you, the parades are for showing the chinese people and and the world the strenght of the PLA.

MIGleader said:

well, traveling a polar route, 12000km would just be a bit short to reach washington, but it can cover at least 3/4 of the u.s, the weatern states and central states.china never saw washington as a target untill recently.

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actually, the direct flight distance from beijing to washington DC is 11143.93km

although we all know that beijing is not the closest point in china to the US

as for why china has wmds, the same reason other countries have i would imagine. why does the US have wmds?