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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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shen said:
Gerber is not what it used to be. If you want to do woodwork, for around a hundred buck. This is going to be a far superior tool.
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If you need a weapon for the zombie invasion, Cold Steel has many traditional tomahawks, with dropped forged carbon steel head, for very reasonable price.
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Actually if you look at the promo video it's a lot more than just a Tomahawk. It's a pry bar, hammer, axe, breaching tool etc all in one and very well design not to mention fairly light. It's also MOLLE compatible with quick release snaps and the 'hole' in the middle is for gripping to make a very sturdy digging or prying tool. It's also made from 420C high grade carbon steel so this thing should last a lifetime even with some abuse.
 
Jeff Head

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kwaigonegin said:
Actually if you look at the promo video it's a lot more than just a Tomahawk. It's a pry bar, hammer, axe, breaching tool etc all in one and very well design not to mention fairly light. It's also MOLLE compatible with quick release snaps and the 'hole' in the middle is for gripping to make a very sturdy digging or prying tool. It's also made from 420C high grade carbon steel so this thing should last a lifetime even with some abuse.
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Exactly.

When looking at this Tomahawk, I thought in fact that it was a very decent Gerber...and representative of the quality that have maintained for many years.
 
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shen

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kwaigonegin said:
Actually if you look at the promo video it's a lot more than just a Tomahawk. It's a pry bar, hammer, axe, breaching tool etc all in one and very well design not to mention fairly light. It's also MOLLE compatible with quick release snaps and the 'hole' in the middle is for gripping to make a very sturdy digging or prying tool. It's also made from 420C high grade carbon steel so this thing should last a lifetime even with some abuse.
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Ok, I wasn't going to go into too much detail. Mostly because tools preferences are very personal, if you like it buy it. So disclaimer, just my personal views.
My personal experience with Gerber has been hit and miss. They used to be a very good company making no-nonsense tools, but recently they seems to have succumbed to the type of marketing hype that's common in the knife and outdoor product business. Gerber's sister brand Fiskars seems to be more consistent.
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breakage was so common, Gerber recall them. but I keep hearing about the exactly same type of failure with the replacements.
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I like traditional designs when it comes to tools. Traditional designs are the result of thousands of years of accumulated experience of what works best. The latest Do-it-All mutlipurpose gadget usually don't do anything particular well. Just look at this do-it-all hatchet, I can see many problems.
1)one piece construction, solid metal handle. that is generally a bad idea for a striking tool. vibration get's transmitted to your arm. traditional hardwood handle doesn't have that problem. also with the heavier metal handle, the tool a less weight forward balance, meaning less hitting power for the weight.
2) just look at that thin handle, doesn't it even look comfortable to chop with?
3) the cut out in the blade. sure, it looks cool, but why? look at the transition from the choil area to the handle. doesn't that look like an obvious point of weakness?
4) 420HC is not a high end steel. It is generally used for cheap knives. It is a common medium carbon stainless steel. it is decently steel when correctly heat treated for KNIVES. stainless steel are inherently more brittle than old fashion carbon steel, not appropriate for striking tool. The hatchet is mostly like made by stock removal, not forged.
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again, all these are my personal opinions and experience. your preference is your preference. man should get the tool he is comfortable with. no right answer for everyone.

on the right is my hatchet. on the left is my zombie killing tool.

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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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shen said:
Ok, I wasn't going to go into too much detail. Mostly because tools preferences are very personal, if you like it buy it. So disclaimer, just my personal views.
My personal experience with Gerber has been hit and miss. They used to be a very good company making no-nonsense tools, but recently they seems to have succumbed to the type of marketing hype that's common in the knife and outdoor product business. Gerber's sister brand Fiskars seems to be more consistent.
Some examples,
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breakage was so common, Gerber recall them. but I keep hearing about the exactly same type of failure with the replacements.
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I like traditional designs when it comes to tools. Traditional designs are the result of thousands of years of accumulated experience of what works best. The latest Do-it-All mutlipurpose gadget usually don't do anything particular well. Just look at this do-it-all hatchet, I can see many problems.
1)one piece construction, solid metal handle. that is generally a bad idea for a striking tool. vibration get's transmitted to your arm. traditional hardwood handle doesn't have that problem. also with the heavier metal handle, the tool a less weight forward balance, meaning less hitting power for the weight.
2) just look at that thin handle, doesn't it even look comfortable to chop with?
3) the cut out in the blade. sure, it looks cool, but why? look at the transition from the choil area to the handle. doesn't that look like an obvious point of weakness?
4) 420HC is not a high end steel. It is generally used for cheap knives. It is a common medium carbon stainless steel. it is decently steel when correctly heat treated for KNIVES. stainless steel are inherently more brittle than old fashion carbon steel, not appropriate for striking tool. The hatchet is mostly like made by stock removal, not forged.
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again, all these are my personal opinions and experience. your preference is your preference. man should get the tool he is comfortable with. no right answer for everyone.

on the right is my hatchet. on the left is my zombie killing tool.

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I understand what you're saying however a soldier, cop etc is not going to be able to carry 40 ibs of various tools in addition to a 150 ibs pack. Actually heck a lot of times I would rather an all in one myself while working inside the house nevermind in the field under hazardous conditions. They need the absolute best 'jack of all trades' tool that is almost as good as a specialiazed one off tool. I don't think any soldier would want to carry inside his pack a machete, pry bar, tomahawk, hammer, axe individually especially if he needs a certain tool in a hurry. That is what this tool was design for. A quick reaction tool that can accomplish the functions of 4 or 5 different tools pretty well.
 
shen

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kwaigonegin said:
I understand what you're saying however a soldier, cop etc is not going to be able to carry 40 ibs of various tools in addition to a 150 ibs pack. Actually heck a lot of times I would rather an all in one myself while working inside the house nevermind in the field under hazardous conditions. They need the absolute best 'jack of all trades' tool that is almost as good as a specialiazed one off tool. I don't think any soldier would want to carry inside his pack a machete, pry bar, tomahawk, hammer, axe individually especially if he needs a certain tool in a hurry. That is what this tool was design for. A quick reaction tool that can accomplish the functions of 4 or 5 different tools pretty well.
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I wasn't going to respond because I agree with what you wrote. But if you are still on active duty, and if your life will be dependent on this tool, I would highly recommend you look into something more dependable.
If you are willing to spend $200, there are many high quality breaching tools out there. I would look for something made out of something like S7 tool steel or even 1000 series carbon steel, but not stainless steel. second, if you want a pry bar, get a proper pry bar. if you want hatchet, get a proper hatchet.
That's if you are going to put yourself in harms way while carrying this tool.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Ahh... I don't need a hatchet.. I have the two edged sword of Jesus Christ..

Revelation 1:16

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

Hebrews 4:12

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Last evening my youngest son called me. It's always good to here from him. He recently was transferred from San Diego to Bremerton WA. He works for a company that builds scaffolding..mostly in shipyards. They also do sandblasting of ships. Right now he's working on USS John C Stennis (CVN 74) which is in drydock at Puget Sound NSY. Bremerton WA.

The company he works for paid for his transportation to Bremerton and also is paying for his apartment in WA. Which he does not have to share..sweet deal.
 
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A little video this morning after our latest snow here in SW, Idaho.


[video=youtube;6Vft_e-X3iM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vft_e-X3iM[/video]
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