Real life thread

[coolgod]

In honor of the Duanwu Holiday, may I present to you, the Zongzi Definition/Alignment Chart:

Design purist: Needs to be wrapped with plant leaves
Design moderate: Needs to be wrapped with a suitable materal
Design anarchist: Does not need to be wrapped

Doctrinal purist: Made primarily from sticky rice
Doctrinal moderate: Made primarily from a grain
Doctrinal anarchist: Made of any edible material

First row:

• Sweet/Salty Zongzi
• Bamboo tube rice
• Rice balls

Second row:

• Lotus leaf rice
• Sushi
• Plain rice

Third row:

• Leaf-wrapped roast chicken
• Peking duck
• Sprite

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Everything except the top left corner is blasphemy

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Let's move it here to prevent the thread from being derailed.

Not everyone traded a high end job at one of Microsoft's AI R&D teams in Beijing for what is essentially a post-tax pay CUT to be based out of Australia, Vancouver, or Seattle, etc., doing the exact same work, as per the article.

True, and that is due to different priorities. Some prioritize income while others prioritize work life balance. This isn't not common as there is a trend among workers to trade pay for a better work-life balance ever since the start of the pandemic.

Some people were born into situations and do not have any reasonable alternative options. My only option is to keep working in the West, or move to China to teach English for what is probably 1/5th or 1/6th of the income. I would not have any other legitimate and reasonable employment options in China.

Understandable, and those MS AI engineers thought the same but for work life balance. They figured that it is better to have a relaxed life with a higher focus on their personal development than on their job. You along with those engineers are only looking out for your personal interests, and that is ok. That also doesn't make you and them 汉奸 unless you all left the Chinese MIC, SOE, or government-designated critical companies for the West. Such a hypothetical scenario is as traitorous as American engineers leaving Lockheed Martin or Google's US government projects for China or Russia.

Either way, it seems like my comments irritated you, but you should probably think a bit more deeply about why some of us are stuck in the West.

I apologize if I sounded sharp, but they absolutely did considering how it is hypocritical for someone willing to pay taxes to the nations they claim to despise the most and only lip service they support the most. Yes, I am quite familiar with the reasons why some are "stuck" but considering the fact there are average foreigners who are living and enjoying their time in China, those reasons are not as strong as before.

 

[CMP]

Let's move it here to prevent the thread from being derailed.

True, and that is due to different priorities. Some prioritize income while others prioritize work life balance. This isn't not common as there is a trend among workers to trade pay for a better work-life balance ever since the start of the pandemic.

Understandable, and those MS AI engineers thought the same but for work life balance. They figured that it is better to have a relaxed life with a higher focus on their personal development than on their job. You along with those engineers are only looking out for your personal interests, and that is ok. That also doesn't make you and them 汉奸 unless you all left the Chinese MIC, SOE, or government-designated critical companies for the West. Such a hypothetical scenario is as traitorous as American engineers leaving Lockheed Martin or Google's US government projects for China or Russia.

I apologize if I sounded sharp, but they absolutely did considering how it is hypocritical for someone willing to pay taxes to the nations they claim to despise the most and only lip service they support the most. Yes, I am quite familiar with the reasons why some are "stuck" but considering the fact there are average foreigners who are living and enjoying their time in China, those reasons are not as strong as before.

Those foreigners are living and working in China for the long term, usually for at least one of only several possible reasons. In no particular order:

1. Because they do not have superior options outside of China.
2. Their foreign employer wants to base them out of China to oversee a part of their business/supply chain.
3. They lucked out in that their field of expertise is one that actually is highly valuable to a serious Chinese employer.
4. They married someone in China who intends to stay in China, so they lifted heaven and earth to try and make it work.

If none of those reasons apply, then it certainly makes no sense to move. Especially when there are no familial or social connections there. Regarding paying taxes, if I am not doing my job, I am fully confident that someone else will do it just as well. There is no shortage of people who can do it. In contrast, this certainly isn't the case for Chinese AI R&D workers who are at the cutting edge of their field. When they move to the West, their shoes can be very hard to fill given the global talent shortage in that field, and especially within China. As was mentioned, fresh graduates just will not cut it.

Given the insane levels of government spending in the West, my taxes won't even buy them a single toilet on a navy ship every year. Hardly a real contribution to their might and prosperity.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Those foreigners are living and working in China for the long term, usually for at least one of only several possible reasons. In no particular order:

1. Because they do not have superior options outside of China.
2. Their foreign employer wants to base them out of China to oversee a part of their business/supply chain.
3. They lucked out in that their field of expertise is one that actually is highly valuable to a serious Chinese employer.
4. They married someone in China who intends to stay in China, so they lifted heaven and earth to try and make it work.

If none of those reasons apply, then it certainly makes no sense to move. Especially when there are no familial or social connections there. Regarding paying taxes, if I am not doing my job, I am fully confident that someone else will do it just as well. There is no shortage of people who can do it. In contrast, this certainly isn't the case for Chinese AI R&D workers who are at the cutting edge of their field. When they move to the West, their shoes can be very hard to fill given the global talent shortage in that field, and especially within China. As was mentioned, fresh graduates just will not cut it.

Given the insane levels of government spending in the West, my taxes won't even buy them a single toilet on a navy ship every year. Hardly a real contribution to their might and prosperity.

I think the crux of the issue is that we differ on how we view their importance. Based on their actions and employment, I believe they aren't as relatively good as you think they are due to several factors:

Firstly, they are working for a Western company that works hand-in-hand with and is under the direction of the US government. So, these engineers are already only looking out for themselves to begin with. That is just the nature of the beast.

Secondly, if they were the best, the Chinese government and its SOE's and critical companies would give them benefits just as good or even better than Microsoft could. Yet they didn't.

So, while they are a short-term loss, they are just as replaceable as others since they aren't as relatively valuable as you think they are.

 

[CMP]

I think the crux of the issue is that we differ on how we view their importance. Based on their actions and employment, I believe they aren't as relatively good as you think they are due to several factors:

Firstly, they are working for a Western company that works hand-in-hand with and is under the direction of the US government. So, these engineers are already only looking out for themselves to begin with. That is just the nature of the beast.

Secondly, if they were the best, the Chinese government and its SOE's and critical companies would give them benefits just as good or even better than Microsoft could. Yet they didn't.

So, while they are a short-term loss, they are just as replaceable as others since they aren't as relatively valuable as you think they are.

I really hope what you state is indeed the case. I really don't want to see any further brain drain from China during this period of intense competition in so many technological frontiers. If anything, China should be engaged in a very aggressive global hunt for the best talent. Poaching and outbidding where ever and whenever it is deemed beneficial and worthwhile to Chinese advancement.

 

[valysre]

I really hope what you state is indeed the case. I really don't want to see any further brain drain from China during this period of intense competition in so many technological frontiers. If anything, China should be engaged in a very aggressive global hunt for the best talent. Poaching and outbidding where ever and whenever it is deemed beneficial and worthwhile to Chinese advancement.

I have found that younger Chinese software engineers (working in groups that make them researchers in practice) in the US (who left after the 1990s) tend to come from universities that I have never heard of, whereas older Chinese software engineers come from universities that I have heard of.
Assuming that universities that I have heard of in China produce researchers of at least marginally better quality than universities I haven't heard of (which I think is a fair assumption), then it seems that recently, it's the lower quality researchers produced in China that are coming abroad.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I have found that younger Chinese software engineers (working in groups that make them researchers in practice) in the US (who left after the 1990s) tend to come from universities that I have never heard of, whereas older Chinese software engineers come from universities that I have heard of.
Assuming that universities that I have heard of in China produce researchers of at least marginally better quality than universities I haven't heard of (which I think is a fair assumption), then it seems that recently, it's the lower quality researchers produced in China that are coming abroad.

Yes, that is definitely the case. The ones coming to the US are the ones that couldn't make it in China.

 

[RedMetalSeadramon]

Gotta check the BaoFeng for bibi bombs #BaoFengMasterrace

 

[coolgod]

Gotta check the BaoFeng for bibi bombs #BaoFengMasterrace

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[RedMetalSeadramon]

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