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Does anyone here hunt with crossbows? Are crossbow bolts enough to stop a wolf, mountain lion, or a bear? Or scare one off?
 
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Does anyone here hunt with crossbows? Are crossbow bolts enough to stop a wolf, mountain lion, or a bear? Or scare one off?
I had a really nice compound bow for a number of years, but sold it about five years ago.

Crossbows and compoud bows are good weapons, and people hunt with them all the time. However, when hunting an animal that is diposed to attack and kill you (and dear and big horn sheep and elk rarely, rearely attack) like a Wolf or Courgar or Bear, you have to hit them just right to kill thim.Since you are shooting at relatively short range, you are probably not going to have time to get off another shot.

A wolf can way 175 lbs or more, a Courgar up to 200+ lbs, and a Bear, several hundred pounds. Crossbows and compound bows can certainly kill those animals (though less likely with a Bear) but, as I say, you have to hit them right. You do not get the hyrdrostatic shock from an arrow or bolt that you get from a high velocity rifle bullet that itself can destroy organs.

So, especially since wolves tend to hunt and attack in packs, you better have something where you can get multiple shots off quickly. I perosnally go up in the mountains with a .308 FAL and a couple of 30 mags. It is semi-automatc. My S&W .44 mag is a revolver, and I have a couple of quick load mags for it too (it is holstered on my hip), but it too is a close range weapon...but I would rather have it in such a scenario, than a bow of any type.

In the pictures I showed, the one where the woman is sitting with the head of the wolf is in her lap, with a Revolver on the front paws of the wolf, she shot that wolf while she was out bow hunting and the wolf charged/attacked her. She killed it 10 ft (about 3 m) from her. Luckily, there was only the one. She had the weapon holstered, threw down her compound bow, and shot with the gun...which is exactly what I would have done.
 
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So they wake up one morning thinking they wanna kill 20 giant ugly birds?

It's more of an opportunity thing. They play by killing when they are not hungry. Play for animal is simply letting their most natural instinct show, for carnivors it is the hunting instinct.

My father's friend had a large dog that once managed to get into a fenced off area filled with ducks. Killed 12 of them and scores more with wounds and broken legs/wings. Lined them up in a neat row for display. His owner have to pay for the loss.

Animals may be domesticated, but they do not reason, they seldom plan ahead unless using their instincts, and they often do not consider the consequences of their actions. They do not have a moral system in their head in which to make judgement on their actions. So you should not see them with human qualities no matter how close you think they are to you - the friendly and helpful behaviour they display is through training and conditioning, and through the bonds of growing up and being around with you.
 
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I had a really nice compound bow for a number of years, but sold it about five years ago.

Crossbows and compoud bows are good weapons, and people hunt with them all the time. However, when hunting an animal that is diposed to attack and kill you (and dear and big horn sheep and elk rarely, rearely attack) like a Wolf or Courgar or Bear, you have to hit them just right to kill thim.Since you are shooting at relatively short range, you are probably not going to have time to get off another shot.

A wolf can way 175 lbs or more, a Courgar up to 200+ lbs, and a Bear, several hundred pounds. Crossbows and compound bows can certainly kill those animals (though less likely with a Bear) but, as I say, you have to hit them right. You do not get the hyrdrostatic shock from an arrow or bolt that you get from a high velocity rifle bullet that itself can destroy organs.

So, especially since wolves tend to hunt and attack in packs, you better have something where you can get multiple shots off quickly. I perosnally go up in the mountains with a .308 FAL and a couple of 30 mags. It is semi-automatc. My S&W .44 mag is a revolver, and I have a couple of quick load mags for it too (it is holstered on my hip), but it too is a close range weapon...but I would rather have it in such a scenario, than a bow of any type.

In the pictures I showed, the one where the woman is sitting with the head of the wolf is in her lap, with a Revolver on the front paws of the wolf, she shot that wolf while she was out bow hunting and the wolf charged/attacked her. She killed it 10 ft (about 3 m) from her. Luckily, there was only the one. She had the weapon holstered, threw down her compound bow, and shot with the gun...which is exactly what I would have done.
Before we had firearms you used hunting spears to protect yourself against wolves and bears. And I image no-one went hunting wolves while alone.
There is more to be said about wolves. In New England and in parts of Western Europe there are many deer because there are no wolves and too few hunters and when deer are numerous a large part of their ticks are infected with Borrelia bacteria which cause Lyme disease in people. Wolves are now coming from Poland, are numerous East of Berlin, and have now nearly reached the Dutch border so the deer problem in the Netherlands might soon be over. Too late for my wive's mother however.
Wolves are pretty numerous in parts of France and Italy but do little damage to cattle or sheep because these are protected by dogs. Is that unusual in the US?
 

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Before we had firearms you used hunting spears to protect yourself against wolves and bears. And I image no-one went hunting wolves while alone.
There is more to be said about wolves. In New England and in parts of Western Europe there are many deer because there are no wolves and too few hunters and when deer are numerous a large part of their ticks are infected with Borrelia bacteria which cause Lyme disease in people. Wolves are now coming from Poland, are numerous East of Berlin, and have now nearly reached the Dutch border so the deer problem in the Netherlands might soon be over. Too late for my wive's mother however.
Wolves are pretty numerous in parts of France and Italy but do little damage to cattle or sheep because these are protected by dogs. Is that unusual in the US?
Pretty much every rancher has dogs. These large Canadian wolves kill dogs for sport. And q pack can kill 3-4 dogs very fast.

Wolfhouds are good to help hunt wolves...but only when men on horseback who are well armed are along. If a pack of wolves significantly outnumbers the dogs and gets to them before the hunter arrives, the dogs will die.

If you set equal number of wolfhounds against wolves, then you are going to lose some of the dogs...and most times, a good trained hunting dog is simply to valuable to risk in that manner..

In the US, including New England, Wolf Packs have been replaced with Deer hunting seasons for hunters. These have been used for many, many decades all across the United States to control the herds of Deer, Elk, etc. And they work very well. There are bow hunts, shotgun hunts, and rifle hunts in many states. In other, one or two of those. And they work very well.

Now in those areas where wolves were re-introduced, we are seeing wolf hunting seasons in some where their numbers are controlled by the hunt, or in others areas we see bounties and unrestricted hunts to simply wipe them out. Having seen the damages and losses the wolves are causing, and having been involved in the Deer and Elk hunts and seen how well they control those herds, I perosnally favor the latter. Our forefathers in this country erradicated the wolves for good reason.
 

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Before we had firearms you used hunting spears to protect yourself against wolves and bears. And I image no-one went hunting wolves while alone.
There is more to be said about wolves. In New England and in parts of Western Europe there are many deer because there are no wolves and too few hunters and when deer are numerous a large part of their ticks are infected with Borrelia bacteria which cause Lyme disease in people. Wolves are now coming from Poland, are numerous East of Berlin, and have now nearly reached the Dutch border so the deer problem in the Netherlands might soon be over. Too late for my wive's mother however.
Wolves are pretty numerous in parts of France and Italy but do little damage to cattle or sheep because these are protected by dogs. Is that unusual in the US?

I've seen footages on youtube documenting how this pack of wolves was following the sledge dogs and their masters, who weren't carrying any guns (as I can recalled) and use only the whips to shoo away some of the wolves that came too near, presumably looking for food. At one stage a few of the wolves came very close to the dogs and, it looks to me, they only sniffed or looked at each other, although the footage did later show one of dogs having a few bloodied cuts on its snout but nothing serious. Probably some wolf packs are not that wild and ferocious?
 

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