QBZ-191 service rifle family

TerraN_EmpirE

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ITAR in this is fairly weak. Anyone with an Amazon account can buy a civilian ACOG. The difference between the military and civilian being mostly markings. The ACOG itself is now is now 30 years old. So hardly super secret technology. I mean yeah no way direct sales but like all off the shelf products it’s not that difficult to acquire.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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ITAR in this is fairly weak. Anyone with an Amazon account can buy a civilian ACOG. The difference between the military and civilian being mostly markings. The ACOG itself is now is now 30 years old. So hardly super secret technology. I mean yeah no way direct sales but like all off the shelf products it’s not that difficult to acquire.
I'm just surprised that customs haven't went after the third parties that got them into China. A scope should be extemely obvious to even the TSA or any European equivalent.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I'm just surprised that customs haven't went after the third parties that got them into China. A scope should be extemely obvious to even the TSA or any European equivalent.
First I think it comes under the CBP not TSA.
The ITAR is primarily Going to effect the White Market particularly companies and sellers who operate in large volume export to Agencies. We have no idea how these got into China. Resale or redirected sales via gray market/ black market being a possibility. Even redirect by Chinese “civilians” in foreign countries. No goverment is omnipresent.
Additionally go back about 10 years and HK police were open to import and adopt western products. Acog is a bomb proof scope. They are built such that the weakest point is the mount. Meaning this scope could be decades old and still in service.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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First I think it comes under the CBP not TSA.
Both CBP and TSA handle ITAR. Otherwise, passengers can smuggle ITAR restricted items via carry on baggage.
The ITAR is primarily Going to effect the White Market particularly companies and sellers who operate in large volume export to Agencies. We have no idea how these got into China. Resale or redirected sales via gray market/ black market being a possibility. Even redirect by Chinese “civilians” in foreign countries. No goverment is omnipresent.
Additionally go back about 10 years and HK police were open to import and adopt western products. Acog is a bomb proof scope. They are built such that the weakest point is the mount. Meaning this scope could be decades old and still in service.
That makes sense. If there is a will, there is a way
 

plawolf

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I'm just surprised that customs haven't went after the third parties that got them into China. A scope should be extemely obvious to even the TSA or any European equivalent.

Have you not considered the whole airsoft/Milsim knockoff market? The amount of knock off scopes in circulation would immediate overwhelm what checking capabilities customs might have if they tried to monitor this. Even if you do seize one, all the seller needs to do is provide an AliExpress invoice for a knock off of the same design and customs won’t have the expertise or resources to verify its in fact a real one.
 
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