QBZ-191 service rifle family

Saru · Jan 2, 2023

Blitzo said:
That looks ridiculous, and there's barely anything kept from the baseline 191 at all, and it seems they've chosen to add in lots of unnecessary weird angles to the receiver for sci-fi aesthetic.

Idea of modded 191 makes sense but you don't need that sort of idiocy.

Give it a free floated handguard and you're basically good. If you want to go take fancy measures you can even switch out the stock.

It may look ridiculous but the ergonomics seem far more comfortable and overall quality of life than the current one the qbz19 has, such as the pistol grip the adjustable end of the butt stock, Easier to reach fire mode switch, swappable iron sight, Better handguard made for better gripping and a wider compatibility, and the receiver it's just the same it's pretty much the qbz19 with a different aesthetic. Overlook the futuristic look and you can see it has improvements.

NOTE! Nothing has been confirmed we don't know wether if the stock is swappable or not yet from what we've seen the stock isn't even swappable it might be even a part of the Reciever

Blitzo · Jan 2, 2023

Saru said:
It may look ridiculous but the ergonomics seem far more comfortable and overall quality of life than the current one the qbz19 has, such as the pistol grip the adjustable end of the butt stock, Easier to reach fire mode switch, swappable iron sight, Better handguard made for better gripping and a wider compatibility, and the receiver it's just the same it's pretty much the qbz19 with a different aesthetic. Overlook the futuristic look and you can see it has improvements.

As I've said, swapping the handguard is very reasonable.
The change in the pistol grip is not unreasonable. The change to the fire select is somewhat strange given the QBZ-191's fire select is already fairly decent and such a major change in geoemetry and the manual of arms may actually be detrimental for those who are familiar with the QBZ-191.

The receiver on the other hand, is entirely different from the QBZ-191 family. It basically has the same shape overall but it's clearly an entirely different geometry, with so many strange additional cutouts in the upper and lower receivers.

All in all, it "looks" more futuristic but many of the changes are either a waste of time or done for the sake of aesthetics.
It's like someone played too much FPS and likes sci fi, leading to this monstrosity.
It doesn't just look ridiculous, it is ridiculous.

Like I wrote on the end of the last page -- take a standard QBZ-191, swap out the upper to a FF MLOK Handguard with an accommodating gas block design, and you are good. Leave everything else.

Saru said:
NOTE! Nothing has been confirmed we don't know wether if the stock is swappable or not yet from what we've seen the stock isn't even swappable it might be even a part of the Reciever

The stock itself should be able to be changed in the same way that AR15 stocks can be changed, that shouldn't be an issue if the manufacturer or after market ever wanted to issue one.
That said, swapping out the stock also is not a major concern for QBZ-191. As a rifle, they've gotten a lot right with it on the first time. Give it a longer free floating handguard solution and it'll basically be everything you need for a modern rifle, even for special forces.

Schwerter_ · Jan 2, 2023

Blitzo said:
The term "tacticool" to me is synonymous with "bad". In the same way that one would not like a "bad" anything, I do not like any "tacticool" rifle when looking at the rifle itself (leaving aside accessories, of which one can be reasonable or bad/tacticool as well).

To me, URGI pattern is peak performance for a contemporary rifle:

There's a reason why URGI is so common in US SOF these days, have a look at the rifles carried and more importantly at the lower receivers which are all well used, legacy, and many still rock the legacy original M4 mil spec stocks as well:

Lightweight, adapts proven existing majority parts, changes things only where necessary, and enough real estate to put in as much as you need in terms of attachments, scopes.

For the 191, they could easily develop or issue an upgrade kit that changes out the barrel nut, modifies the gas block, and puts in a new FF M LOK handguard, and they would get there.
Or, if that is to finnicky, they can just issue an entirely new upper receiver group themselves from the factory so the user can change it out easily.

They already have QBU-191 which basically has everything I described above just in a heavier and longer barrel for a DMR package.
Take a similar approach with the rifle and carbine length QBZ-191s and you'll have a winner.

Honestly I’m wondering if it’s at all possible to just stick a QBU-spec free-floating handguard directly on a regular QBZ-191. It would probably cover the gas block and make it hard to adjust but other than that, I feel like it would be a relatively easy way to improve the “tactical-ness”, if you will, of the standard rifle?

That is, of course, if it will physically fit onto the standard QBZ-191. Just a random idea after see the full-length handguard of the urgi, sorry if it’s a stupid one

Blitzo · Jan 2, 2023

Scchwerter_ said:
Honestly I’m wondering if it’s at all possible to just stick a QBU-spec free-floating handguard directly on a regular QBZ-191. It would probably cover the gas block and make it hard to adjust but other than that, I feel like it would be a relatively easy way to improve the “tactical-ness”, if you will, of the standard rifle?

That is, of course, if it will physically fit onto the standard QBZ-191. Just a random idea after see the full-length handguard of the urgi, sorry if it’s a stupid one

I've thought about this before, and the conclusion I came to over a year ago, is I'm 99% it is not possible because the QBU-191 handguard likely uses a proper barrel nut at the receiver (which QBZ-191 does not), and also there's no connection between the front of the QBU-191 handguard and the gasblock whereas the QBZ-191 handguard does interface with the gas block.

Also, the gas block on the entire 191 family is wide enough such that it extends out beyond the diameter of the handguard (whether it's QBZ-191 or QBU-191), and it also rotates/adjustable.

All of which is to say you aren't able to simply drop in a QBU-191 handguard onto the QBZ-191, you'd need to at minimum change the barrel nut configuration and also change the gas block slightly.
That could be fairly reasonably done using an upgrade kit but would probably be at the armoury level.

Alternatively, at the user level you could simply issue an entire upper receiver group similar to URGI kits, which a user can just swap out of their own accord easily.

Schwerter_ · Jan 2, 2023

Blitzo said:
I've thought about this before, and the conclusion I came to over a year ago, is I'm 99% it is not possible because the QBU-191 handguard likely uses a proper barrel nut at the receiver (which QBZ-191 does not), and also there's no connection between the front of the QBU-191 handguard and the gasblock whereas the QBZ-191 handguard does interface with the gas block.

Also, the gas block on the entire 191 family is wide enough such that it extends out beyond the diameter of the handguard (whether it's QBZ-191 or QBU-191), and it also rotates/adjustable.

All of which is to say you aren't able to simply drop in a QBU-191 handguard onto the QBZ-191, you'd need to at minimum change the barrel nut configuration and also change the gas block slightly.
That could be fairly reasonably done using an upgrade kit but would probably be at the armoury level.

Alternatively, at the user level you could simply issue an entire upper receiver group similar to URGI kits, which a user can just swap out of their own accord easily.

Thanks Blitzo!

TerraN_EmpirE · Jan 2, 2023

Saru said:
A very nice photobomb or data generated imagery for concepting

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Well it’s pretty.
but overall I don’t see any actual reason to justify it as configured. The receiver set it clearly inspired off a number of Competition AR15s it doesn’t seem to offer any actual impact on performance. The grip looks interesting. The Stock looks goofy for a general purpose weapon. Hand guard is just gimmick. The compensator is a range toy. It makes it quite for the shooter whose gun is belching flames, but hell on your neighbors and lord help you if you’re dumb enough to bring it to a indoor range, But as the QBZ191 will likely never be in a position of being such a range toy.

If I was to build a real military rifle based on what I think the spirit of these was. It would be a PDW in either7.62x35mm blk 9x39mm VSS with the comp replaced by a suppressor integrated into the barrel, the magazine obviously replaced by one modified to accommodate the new caliber. Look at .300blk PDWs like the Sig MCX Rattler / US Socom LVAW, CMMG Dissent, PSA Jakl for the 9x39mm look at the Russian AMB17. A small CQB PDW with reduced sound profile

Aniah · Jan 2, 2023

TerraN_EmpirE said:
Well it’s pretty.
but overall I don’t see any actual reason to justify it as configured. The receiver set it clearly inspired off a number of Competition AR15s it doesn’t seem to offer any actual impact on performance. The grip looks interesting. The Stock looks goofy for a general purpose weapon. Hand guard is just gimmick. The compensator is a range toy. It makes it quite for the shooter whose gun is belching flames, but hell on your neighbors and lord help you if you’re dumb enough to bring it to a indoor range, But as the QBZ191 will likely never be in a position of being such a range toy.

If I was to build a real military rifle based on what I think the spirit of these was. It would be a PDW in either7.62x35mm blk 9x39mm VSS with the comp replaced by a suppressor integrated into the barrel, the magazine obviously replaced by one modified to accommodate the new caliber. Look at .300blk PDWs like the Sig MCX Rattler / US Socom LVAW, CMMG Dissent, PSA Jakl for the 9x39mm look at the Russian AMB17. A small CQB PDW with reduced sound profile

The stock actually reminds me a bit of the cs/lr 17 rifle stock as well as the one on the HK 433.

TerraN_EmpirE · Jan 3, 2023

It also evokes the Robinson XCR stock. But it’s covered it angular details and unnecessary shapes like the rest of it. It’s aesthetic over function. It’s covered in snag points. Smooth it out and clean it up it would be fine.