PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[sealordlawrence]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

tphuang,

Could you explain how there are 3 subs in those pictures? Thanks.

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Hmmm.... the new sub's conning tower is just enormous!

The method of construction is still the same throughout the Song to the present 039B, a patchwork quilt of metal plates welded onto closely spaced structural frames - very similar to civilian construction techniques.

The chief differences are: as this is a double-hulled vessel, the outer skin here is rather thin - hence the wrinkles, warping and slight imperfections - a single hull (which by necessity is much thicker) would not have those imperfections.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there doesn't seem to be any of the usual anechoic tiles the PLAN has been plastering onto the Songs of late.

don't know about this one? anyone else on this? Is this something that if done at high quality, we would not easily see the individual tiles?

The size seems to indicate that this baby won't be operating close to Chinese shores - this is an ocean-going sub.

BTW, is there any confirmation that the Yuan's have replaced the Song's completely on the assembly lines?

song production stopped in 2004.

If that is so then it is no wonder that we are seeing more Yuan's lately.

1 sub in 2004 to start testing. 3 more built in 2007 to 2008 for second batch. This third batch already has 2 launched in 2010 and there are more building. This mirrors what they did for Song.

I wish they would transfer Yuan production from Wuhan to the Shanghai and Guangzhou yards, they could do it faster and better in my opinion.

Wuchang could then get on with further developing the new sub.

Methinks that this is the start of a new era in PLAN subs - similar to that for the PLAAF - a high/low combination of subs for 2 purposes:

a low-end for shallow/inshore (1st island chain) patrolling and,

a second set of high-end subs for open-ocean (2nd island chain) patrolling.

Wuchang doesn't design an submarines, they just build them. JiangNan Changxin is also building Yuan at the moment.

tphuang,

Could you explain how there are 3 subs in those pictures? Thanks.

This one shows the new submarine type on the left side and it is behind a Yuan submarine which is on the right side of the photo.

This one shows a separate Yuan submarine at a different location (next to a CMS cutter).

 

[sealordlawrence]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Tpuang,

Thanks for that, now I see it!

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

an article on No. 326 of SSF (a 039G1 variant)

探寻南海舰队326潜艇走向大洋的历程

一次“趴窝”，催生装备管理方式由“粗放型”向“精细化”转变
　　这是一次令326艇官兵刻骨铭心的记忆。
　　5年前，新型潜艇列装不久，由于一块电子集成块故障导致潜艇“趴窝”，险些耽误了出航执行任务。究其原因，官兵们发现：传统的粗放式装备维护管理方式，无法满足信息化装备“明察秋毫”的需要
这件事，给全艇官兵上了生动一课：宝剑需要好剑客，亮剑的最高境界是人剑合一。看图纸、摸管路、练部署，一场学习新知识、钻研新技术、提高新本领、驾驭新装备的岗位练兵活动深入展开。

新装备列装之初，各种训练规程、操纵部署几乎是空白。官兵们白手起家，经过艰难的探索实践，很快掌握了新装备的操作原理和性能特点，自主编写了《指控专业训练教程》、《鱼雷快速装填流程》等15项制度和操作规程，使新装备维护管理有了“明细账”，填补了多项技术空白。

　　在此基础上，一场挖掘新装备潜力的革新活动也在艇上如火如荼地展开，小革新、小发明、小创造层出不穷，进一步加速了人装结合的步伐。'
　　以前给蓄电池添加蒸馏水工作量大、时间长，影响战备速度，他们经过多次试验，摸索出一条快速添加蒸馏水的新方法，速度比以往提高了4倍。

this boat joined service 5 years ago, contains some bs on the sailors learning to operate it.

　　针对战雷吊装工具与艇上工具不配套，他们研制了新型吊装工具，既安全又适用。;　他们还摸索出某型导弹发射吊装、信息流程检查、水密性检查等创新方法，总结出一套适合潜艇雷弹训练的考核内容和考核方法，并且建立了7项专业题库
　　有了“金刚钻”，不怕“瓷器活”。2010年4月，326艇首次组织复杂条件下某新型鱼雷实弹射击训练，鱼雷发射后受到干扰突然转向，偏离目标。官兵们当机立断，迅速转换导引方式，运用人工导引，使鱼雷“改邪归正”准确击中目标。
　去年8月，支队组织全员比武竞赛,该艇一举夺得16个竞赛课目的12项冠军，打破8项专业纪录，团体总分实现5连冠。

talks about forming torpedo training programs. In April of 2010, 326 for the first time fire a new type of torpedo in training under complex operating environment. The torpedo was going off the path to the target, so the operators made immediate change to guidance method to get torpedo to correct path and strike target. In August, this crew won many awards.

一场“败仗”，推动战法训法创新由“机械化
　　这是一场令326艇官兵卧薪尝胆的对抗演练。 2006年，上级组织326艇与新型水面舰艇编队进行实战化对抗训练。
“矛”与“盾”，狭路相逢，谁更胜一筹？ 水面，舰艇编队张网以待；水下，326艇伺机而动……
　　几个来回的较量之后，326艇很快锁定目标，刚刚占领攻击阵位，便遭到对手的强烈电子干扰，各种反潜武器也随之袭来，该艇只得仓促规避，险些“全艇覆没”。　强强对抗，比的是素质，比的是战法，比的是整体训练水平。分析失败原因，他们发现主要是对信息化战场的复杂性认识不够，才使对手钻了空子。
　　初次对抗受挫，给全艇官兵思想上带来了极大的触动。一场信息化条件下的战法训法创新研究活动，随即在该艇如火如荼地展开。
　　复杂电磁环境中的兵器运用、信息化条件下的联合作战问题研究等数十个新课题，成为官兵理论研究、图上推演的焦点，其中有10多项新内容逐渐充实到训练内容体系，并催生了一批信息化条件下的实战化训练课目。
　　像打仗一样训练，像训练一样打仗。他们将战术课题研究与演练作为训练的主要内容，依托支队潜艇模拟操纵系统和损管训练中心，锤炼指挥员的战术协同、指挥控制和应急处置能力。

利用重大演习、实兵对抗演练等时机，从难从严制订训练方案，锻炼艇员们在陌生海域、复杂电磁环境和恶劣气象条件下遂行作战任务的能力。
　　大胆创新训练模式，深挖新型潜艇作战潜能，通过开展多种形式的模拟训练、对抗演练，326艇作战能力得到迅速提升。

　　前不久,海军组织一场背靠背海上伏击演练，326艇奉命与我国最先进的水面舰艇编队在某陌生海域再次展开较量。
　面对编队反潜兵力拉网式搜索和精确打击，326艇采用出其不意的新战术避“敌”锋芒，并伺机发起攻击。
　声呐搜索、目标侦察、电子干扰……一看时机成熟，艇长汪家友下令果断发起攻击。由于战术运用得当，326艇不仅成功避开对方搜索，还准确命中目标。
　　据支队领导介绍，归建以来，326艇先后参与各种重大演习20多次，均圆满完成了任务。近年来，该艇先后成功发射各型鱼雷、导弹100多枚，命中率达100%，年年被评为军事训练一级单位。) L#

talks about in 2006, 326 had an exercise against a new surface ship. It talks about how it quickly locked the target, but met with strong counter measures and lost in those scenarios.
It says 326 met up with a new surface ship recently and not only avoided ASW pressure, but also hit the target. It says that 326 has participated in 20+ exercises since joining service and has launched 100+ missiles/torpedoes and achieved 100% hit rate.

一次远航，牵引战斗力生成模式由“摆练”向“实战”转变
　　这是一次令326艇官兵扬眉吐气的出征。　经过一年多的磨砺，该艇迎来了首次远航训练。
一路劈波斩浪，一路演练战法。面对陌生海域和各种突发情况，该艇官兵成竹在胸，交出了一份份合格答卷。
　　航行至某海域时，突然，主控技师报告：主控电板发生故障。这意味着整个艇将失去动力没法航行。情况万分危急！
　查图纸、找资料、测数据……电工技师杨兴东沉着冷静，经过4个多小时的检测，最后成功排除了故障。随艇远航的支队长王再杰当即竖起了大拇指。

　　经过20多个日夜航行，326艇圆满完成了上级规定的各种战术演练，检验了实战水平。"
　　远航归来，官兵们顾不上品味首次远航的喜悦，又马不停蹄地开始仔细查找远航训练暴露出的各种“短板”。
　针对存在的问题，训练中他们专挑难的练、弱项考。夜间、黄昏、拂晓天候条件下航行训练，不但操作难度大而且有一定的危险性，他们丝毫没有畏惧，速潜、模拟导弹攻击、反潜攻击等高难度课目训练专拣恶劣天气进行。
　　他们还借助各种演练时机，积极探索远距离隐蔽突击的新途径，不断提高跨海域机动作战能力。

　　机遇总是留给有准备的人。两年后，326艇又一次受领远航训练任务。
　　“这是莫大的光荣啊！”艇政委黄龙在动员时心情激动，“过去，有多少人当一辈子潜艇兵都遇不上一次远航，有多少艇服役多年也没有远航任务，而我们短短4年就担负2次远航任务，这是上级对我们326艇的高度信任！
　满怀豪情的艇员们又一次奔向大洋。这次远航，326艇不仅成功开辟某纬度新航线，而且对一批新战法进行实战演练，大大提高了遂行使命任务的能力。

　远航，让326艇经受了实战检验！远航，让326艇战斗力生成模式实现重大转变。去年10月，总部对326艇战斗力建设情况进行评估。经过实战拉动等一系列考核，评估组称赞他们是一支素质高、能打仗的战斗集体。
　列装5年，创造8项海军训练纪录，20多次在演习场上一展身手，一批训练成果被舰队推广；列装5年，培养了10多名艇副长，为兄弟部队和上级机关输送了100多名新装备骨干人才……

　　南海舰队某潜艇支队326艇，在走向大洋的征程中勇当开路先锋，成为国产某新型潜艇部队的“种子艇”、“标杆艇”。
　　探寻该艇战斗力生成方式转变的轨迹，对新形势下如何加速推进军事训练转变有诸多有益的启示。（武天敏）

now it talks about 326 going on long range patrol. After 1 year of service, it went on its first patrol of 20+ days. A couple of years after that, it went on its second patrol. This time it ventured into the ocean (pacific obviously). So, it has made 2 major patrols since joining service. It currently serves for SSF.

 

[Cpt_Underpants]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I would love to see more of these going into lengthy patrols and seeing more newly built classes entering the service. I think this is going to be a big year for the Chinese.

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I'm going to have to change my assessment of Yuan again with these photos. It's quite clear from the more smooth, curvy edges of the sail that this submarine is not the original Yuan or one of the Yuans built in 2007-2008, which also had more straight edges on their sails. I would say that this has to be one of the improved production Yuan we are seeing out of WuChang. At the same time, this is clearly not from WuChang shipyard and does not have the scaffolding that we see on the sails of the 2 improved production Yuan that we see from there. In fact, this looks to be parked outside of Shanghai. Back when the first improved batch of Yuans (Yuan 02-04) came out in 2007-2008, they were also photographed with similar background when they were supposedly going to Shanghai for the first time for sea trials. So, I would say that this is what this submarine is doing before it gets delivered to PLAN. So, this is the 5th unit of Yuan and the two Yuans we see in Wuchang are 6th and 7th unit.

Here are the photos.

Please note that this post here
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/plan-submarines-thread-ii-64-3746.html#post134654
where I thought the photos were taken from one of the improved Yuans at Wuchang is probably actually taken from this one in Shanghai. The most noticeable external difference I can see vs Yuan 02-04 is the round edges on the sail. If you compare the photos against Yuan 02-04, you can see that the limber hole arrangements are slightly modified also.

btw, they are calling these improved Yuans 039B.

So, maybe I should go with that too and call that new mysterious submarine type "new submarine type" until I see a proper designation.

 

[A.Man]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

How Many Sub's?

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

There are 3 submarines in there from what I can see. One that is beside the CMS ship and two that are next to each other. The new submarine type is out in the open and the second Yuan is slightly to the right of it and partially blocked.

Here is another photo of the Yuan I posted yesterday. Much better to look at a non black/white photo.

 

[sealordlawrence]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Yup,

There are certainly 3 submarines there, assuming that they are all in the same position as when the original photos were taken, and that the sub in Shanghai is an additional Yuan, that means they have already constructed 3 improved Yuan class. This has to drastically change our analysis. The improved Yuan was only reported a few months back. This development implies that construction has been going on for some time and at least one may have been produced before the news even broke.

This also raises very interesting questions about the size of the PLAN SSK fleet. I have always worked on there being 12 Kilos, 12-16 Songs and 3-4 Yuan's. However, it now looks like there are as many as 7 of the latter giving China somewhere over 30 modern SSK's.

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

用导弹速度，从事水下发射事业
自1964年编入海军战斗序列以来，长城200号潜艇的每一次水下发射试验都至关重要。

历史记录了这庄严的一刻：1982年10月12日15时，长城200号潜艇首次水下成功发射运载火箭！这是一次震撼世人的成功发射。
1999年10月，历史再一次选择了长城200号潜艇——承担新型导弹水下发射试验任务。
使命艰巨！新型导弹对发射技术要求十分苛刻。此时，封存2年、历经4次改装的长城200号潜艇，性能状况堪忧，技术资料短缺。重新组建之初，艇员经过全训的只有3人，无人执行过导弹发射任务。
“一定要肩负起祖国和人民赋予的重任，长剑不飞，誓不回头！”时任艇长车永哲、政委刘炳功带领官兵走上舷梯那一刻，个个神情凝重。
与时间赛跑，缺教材资料自己写。他们边训练边总结、边实践边完善，短短一个月，就编写出《某型潜艇操纵部署》等20多本共30多万字的技术资料，并被海军潜艇学院列为教材。

同困难交锋，缺训练设施自己动手建。为加快形成试验发射能力，他们以冲锋姿态苦练技术本领。为了破解技术难题，时任导弹长张海军曾连续工作40小时。正是凭着这种韧劲，他们硬是在3个月内完成了一年的训练课目。
2001年8月，长城200号潜艇顺利完成新型导弹首次水下发射试验任务。见此情景，一位专家赞叹：“你们是在用‘导弹速度’从事水下发射事业！”

发射试验任务万无一失，源自技术细节上的精益求精 寒冬深夜，北方某军港，滴水成冰

为了精准获得长城200号潜艇上新安装仪器的技术参数，时任航海长于忠良和战友在-20℃的寒夜里坚守了4个多小时。尽管厂方专家一再表示，白天测试误差虽大点，但也在允许范围内。可是，他们依旧选择了在夜间最佳时段进行测试。
第二天一大早，厂方专家看到军帽上结满冰花的官兵和精准的测试报告，激动地说：“有你们这股精益求精的劲头，试验肯定成功。”
近10多年来，长城200号潜艇数十次执行水下发射试验任务，次次圆满顺利，靠的就是这种对每一个技术细节的精益求精！"
水下发射试验，每一个战术动作，都需要全艇10多个技术专业、数十个站位之间的协同配合。难度之大，可想而知。为了确保发射试验万无一失，官兵个个在自己的站位上精益求精。
) }$ \/ U x4 V! I; S0 t 导弹发射兵蒋娇的工作看似简单：只需按下发射按钮，任务就算完成。实际上，这岗位可不好干——导弹发射操作不仅要求迅速准确，而且用力要恰到好处。平时，导弹发射按钮不允许触摸。为了练就“一按准”，蒋娇每天手里都攥着一个啤酒瓶盖，模拟发射按钮反复强化训练。时间长了，他的拇指“练”出厚厚的老茧，啤酒瓶盖磨得能照出人影。

电工技师娄飞被战友誉为“活电路”。为弄清电路构造，他一寸一寸摸查，记下20多万字的笔记；全艇上万个电气接头，他至少检查过数十遍。潜艇电路一旦出现故障，他闭上眼睛都能“嗅”到症结在哪里。
“宁做万分准备，不存半点侥幸”，于进宝艇长向记者介绍：“围绕试验任务，我们先后梳理出发射中可能发生的断电短路、管系破裂、仪器失灵等情况，并提出了应对措施，制订了数十种应急处置预案。”每次出海执行水下发射任务，他们都会组织拉网式、过筛式的装备技术检测和故障隐患排查，决不放过任何一点安全隐患。"
潜艇服役时间通常为20年，而长城200号潜艇至今已服役了46年。
如此“高龄”，可长城200号潜艇丝毫不显“老迈”：外部铜部件锃亮如新，内部发动机强劲有力，性能状态健康良好。这一切，都是官兵装备保养精益求精所创造的奇迹。
导弹腾飞，离不开亲人们的默默奉献"

2008年夏，又一次水下发射试验喜获成功。
庆功晚宴上，电工兵罗文高举杯望月，默默垂泪。
一个多月前，罗文高在家中休假。部队突然通知，让他提前归队。疼爱他的哥哥，不顾家境困难，专门为他买了飞机票。临行那天，哥哥开着拖拉机走了5个多小时，送他到机场。
万万没有想到，哥哥在返回的路上遭遇车祸，不幸身亡！"
这如同晴天霹雳。然而，任务在即，罗文高不得不将巨大的悲痛强压心底……
发射成功了！罗文高泪水伴着酒水一饮而尽，告慰哥哥在天之灵！
“受命之日则忘其家，临阵之时则忘其亲”。在擎剑冲天的漫漫征途中，该艇官兵几乎对亲人都欠下一笔无法偿还的情债——32名官兵在亲人住院或去世时未能回家探望，49人妻子临产时不能回家照顾……
二级军士长、电工技师娄飞的妻子随军来到部队后，才知道丈夫工作很危险。从那时起，按老家“穿新衣，逢吉兆”的风俗，每次丈夫出海执行任务，她都要给他换上一套崭新的内衣，期盼他平安归来。
二级军士长、舵信技师李峰的妻子来自农村。多年来，李峰忙得不着家，她独自承担着抚养孩子和照顾老人的重担。每次潜艇归航，她都会给凯旋的丈夫送去一份浪漫——在营区后面的山上采集一束山花。
于是，这成了一道风景。码头上，山花似火，他们相拥而笑……
李峰说：“作为长城200号潜艇的一员，我只能用利剑腾飞来证明自己对亲人的爱。”

a bunch of stuff on the old retiring golf class submarine that has been used to launch ballistic missiles including JL-2 in the attached photo (or at least that's what they claim). This golf class submarine was in service for 46 years.

It says that the golf class first launched JL-2 in August of 2001. In the past 10 years, it has made 10+ test launches (not sure if it's all JL-2).

Then it described a successful launch in 2008.