Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Not a good sign, IMO.
He looks very satisified.
Not a good sign, IMO.
He looks very satisified.
南舰为41艇员队颁发一等功奖状
Note: Submarine 41 -> Long March 409 -> the first 094 (never understand the relationship, but it is)
Well, when you get past all of the rah-rah wording (which is understandable on such occassions) it sounds like the first crew of the first Type 094 has gotten the boat into intial operational capability and has received basically a unit citiation for doing so.South Sea Fleet, sailors of Submarine 41 awarded merit awards, First Class 2013-11-18
Source: Zhanjiang Daily Font Count: 16 am,
The South China Sea Fleet submarine base at 41 crew team has been awarded the collective merit ceremony was held. At the meeting, the South China Sea Fleet commander Jiang Weilie presented President Xi Jinping signed a first class team merit certificates to the Submarine 41 crew. The 41 crew team is the first of a new submarine boat crew team, they have received President Hu Jintao and President Xi Jinping inspected reviews. Since the formation of the crew team of officers and men with good political quality, a strong sense of mission, outstanding professionalism and indomitable fighting spirit, the successful completion of major tasks, setting a submarine in the history of more than ten first, for the construction and great power status matches the strategic maritime forces have made outstanding contributions. Jiang Weilie committees and agencies on behalf of the fleet to 41 crew team warm congratulations. He pointed out that 41 crew team's deeds, vivid interpretation of the base of the officers and men good political qualities and excellent military qualities, rooted in a profound reflection of the South China Sea Fleet, guarding the South China Sea, South China Sea, meritorious deeds, the pursuit of value, epitomizes building a listening party command, to win the war, the South China Sea powerhouse powerful fine style fundamental requirement called on all officers and men should vigorously promote the 41 crew teams deeds, carried out extensive activities to the 41 crew, team learning, forging a more perfect team like them, better to take up the party and the sacred mission entrusted by the people. !
Well, not to show any disrespect to the Admiral, but the main accuracy a SLBM needs when it comes to attacking major cities is its range. If it's range it adequate, it's CEP can be huge (relatively speaking), be off by 2-3 miles, and still be effective when it comes to attacking a large metropolitan area.China’s recent threat to use submarine-launched nuclear missiles to attack U.S. cities lacks credibility, the Navy’s top admiral said on Saturday.
“For a submarine-launched ballistic missile to be effective it has to be accurate, and you have to be stealthy, and survivable and I’ll leave it at that,” Adm. Jonathan Greenert, chief of naval operations, said when asked about publication in China’s state-run press...
China’s recent threat to use submarine-launched nuclear missiles to attack U.S. cities lacks credibility, the Navy’s top admiral said on Saturday.
“For a submarine-launched ballistic missile to be effective it has to be accurate, and you have to be stealthy, and survivable and I’ll leave it at that,” Adm. Jonathan Greenert, chief of naval operations, said when asked about publication in China’s state-run press...
Well, not to show any disrespect to the Admiral, but the main accuracy a SLBM needs when it comes to attacking major cities is its range. If it's range it adequate, it's CEP can be huge (relatively speaking), be off by 2-3 miles, and still be effective when it comes to attacking a large metropolitan area.
As to the quietness, I agree with his statement. Right now, the US would find these vessels if they are some place the US Navy can get at them. But if they have the range for their missiles, they can sit safely, deep in the China Sea, even just off shore, and launch and the US could not stop that launch. If they had to be out to sea, beyond the 1st island chain, that would be different. In fact, in the deeper waters of the China Sea I imagine there are US attack boats tailing them. But not close in to shore.
Boomers become much more effective when they can do a depressed trajectory launch - so stealth is a nice thing to have.
However, having said that, even a Chinese bastion strategy could be quite useful against regional rivals - the USN may be looking at Chinese boomers from a commanding height, but the Indian Navy, for example, would have next to no capability in hunting down a Chinese boomer in the Bohai Gulf. That alone would justify its existence while they work on the next generation.