PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[kroko]

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They recently launched a Type 093 SSN that's interesting

They might not be moving onto the newer Type 095 SSN then

Do we ever get any pictures of submarines under constriction or launches

if they have launched type 093b SSN, then that means that probably type 095 wont be launched soon. But eventually china will have to build something better. Type 093 is very noisy according to ONI. The question is when, not if.

regarding construction pictures, i cant get anything on GE. I wonder exactly where the subs are built.

 

[asif iqbal]

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if they have launched type 093b SSN, then that means that probably type 095 wont be launched soon. But eventually china will have to build something better. Type 093 is very noisy according to ONI. The question is when, not if.

regarding construction pictures, i cant get anything on GE. I wonder exactly where the subs are built.

Type 093B? I have never heard that designation before, since when did SSN have classes like FFG and DDG

It's s shame really, we get to see FFG and DDG in hall ways even before they are launched but for submarines, we only ever get GE of operational ones

The information is scarce or maybe people just don't give them much importance and visit thier respective shipyards, I mean Type 056 was such big news even warship magazine listed it and a launching of a Type 094 SSBN goes almost unnoticed

 

[tphuang]

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honestly, we don't know whether this newly launched SSN is 093B or 095. Just that it looks different from the other 093. And we really haven't got any photos of the whole boat to see if there is enough changes on this boat yet.

Actually with that newly launched 094, we should have at least 4 094 now. There seemed to have been a break in 094 construction, so maybe there is some small improvement to this one. We will see.

 

[Jeff Head]

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Type 093B? I have never heard that designation before, since when did SSN have classes like FFG and DDG

It's s shame really, we get to see FFG and DDG in hall ways even before they are launched but for submarines, we only ever get GE of operational ones

The information is scarce or maybe people just don't give them much importance and visit thier respective shipyards, I mean Type 056 was such big news even warship magazine listed it and a launching of a Type 094 SSBN goes almost unnoticed

My guess is also that the security around the building of the PLAN's nuclear subs is much, much tighter than it is around the HP, HD, and other yards building surface combatants.

Aslo, while they may not have official designations like "A" and "B", US subs are often built in "Flights," each improving on the last. You have three flights of LA Class boats and the third is a significant improvement over the first.

The Virginia class from the get go is going through "Flights" the Flight III boats are under construction now, and the differences are posted. The flight V boats will have the new modular plug inserted into their hulls to allow for the launch of numerous more SLCMs in order to help replace the capabilities of the Ohio SSGNs when they start to decommission.

 

[jobjed]

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My guess is also that the security around the building of the PLAN's nuclear subs is much, much tighter than it is around the HP, HD, and other yards building surface combatants.

As someone who has been to Huangpu and Bohai shipyards, I have to say that the difference in security are minimal. In fact, Bohai even had foreigners inside, inspecting the ships they ordered being built by Bohai. Both shipyards were strictly no photos; my guide for Huangpu said that a worker had tried taking a photo inside the shipyard and was arrested for espionage which resulted in a comprehensive check on family background, social relationships, online activity etc. My guide for Bohai said a foreigner had tried taking a photo of the 094 but was forced to delete them (or relinquish his memory card, I'm not sure which one).

There is a stark difference in surroundings though, the insides of Bohai shipyard are invisible to outside (except from above) due to the fact that there's nothing opposite of it except ocean. Huangpu on the other hand is very visible, as demonstrated from the numerous photos we have of it. Huangpu was built on an island in the middle of a river thus the opposite shore has a front row seat to its goings-on. The person who took a photo of the 094 must have sneakingly took it without anyone seeing.

 

[Jeff Head]

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As someone who has been to Huangpu and Bohai shipyards, I have to say that the difference in security are minimal. In fact, Bohai even had foreigners inside, inspecting the ships they ordered being built by Bohai. Both shipyards were strictly no photos; my guide for Huangpu said that a worker had tried taking a photo inside the shipyard and was arrested for espionage which resulted in a comprehensive check on family background, social relationships, online activity etc. My guide for Bohai said a foreigner had tried taking a photo of the 094 but was forced to delete them (or relinquish his memory card, I'm not sure which one).

There is a stark difference in surroundings though, the insides of Bohai shipyard are invisible to outside (except from above) due to the fact that there's nothing opposite of it except ocean. Huangpu on the other hand is very visible, as demonstrated from the numerous photos we have of it. Huangpu was built on an island in the middle of a river thus the opposite shore has a front row seat to its goings-on. The person who took a photo of the 094 must have sneakingly took it without anyone seeing.

Thanks for the 1st hand account.

I do not think, if I was a foreign visitor to the mainland and was allowed a visit at a plant building nuclear powered submarines (which is interesting because it almost sounds like they are allowing "tours" of it?) that I woud try and "sneak," a photo in. Short of working for the CIA or some intellegence agency and having that be my job with all the gadgets and access to sats and what not, etc. that would go aloing with it...you'd have to crazy to try and do so as a tourist or someone on business there. You may not come home for a long long time.

 

[jobjed]

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Thanks for the 1st hand account.

I do not think, if I was a foreign visitor to the mainland and was allowed a visit at a plant building nuclear powered submarines (which is interesting because it almost sounds like they are allowing "tours" of it?) that I woud try and "sneak," a photo in. Short of working for the CIA or some intellegence agency and having that be my job with all the gadgets and access to sats and what not, etc. that would go aloing with it...you'd have to crazy to try and do so as a tourist or someone on business there. You may not come home for a long long time.

The foreigners inside were customers of the shipyard, they ordered ships which were being built by Bohai and thus has the right to inspect their goods. China has many dual-use shipyards like this, building both military and civilian vessels.

As for taking pictures, I don't think the Chinese will detain any foreigners who try to take pictures, but will just demand the deletion of the photos. Detaining a foreigner, while justified, will be bad for business. Prospective customers might be frightened and will instead take their orders to other ship-building companies or even an entirely different country like South Korea. Regardless, taking pictures inside military sensitive areas in whatever country is, to say the least, a bad idea.

 

[escobar]

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PENTAGON ANNUAL REPORT TO CONGRESS:

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* China also has expanded its force of nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSN). Two SHANG-class SSNs (Type 093) are already in service, and China is building four improved variants of the SHANG-class SSN, which will replace the aging HAN -class SSNs (Type 091).

* In the next decade, China will likely construct the Type 095 guided-missile attack submarine (SSGN), which may enable a submarine-based land-attack capability. In addition to likely incorporating better quieting technologies, the Type 095 will fulfill traditional anti-ship roles with the incorporation of torpedoes and anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs).

* China continues to produce the JIN-class SSBN, with three already delivered and as many as two more in various stages of construction. After a round of successful testing in 2012, the JL-2 appears ready to reach initial operational capability in 2013.

 

[kroko]

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Regarding type 095, what do they mean with "next decade"? the 2020´s ? within the next 10 years? either way, it seems like it wont be in the near term. They say its a SSGN submarine. What is the difference betwen a SSGN and a SSN? At least they dont say that it will be noisier than soviet era subs.

Regarding type 096, they only say this:

China proceeds to its next generation SSBN (Type 096) over the next decade.

Same issue of timeline as type 095.

 

[franco-russe]

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No doubt within the next ten years.

There is no real difference between an SSN and an SSGN. The fashion is now to classify submarines as SSG(N) if they fire anti-ship (or land-attack cruise) missiles.