PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[jackliu]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

i think tphuang suggests that the birth of the Qing class is not as an incremental improvement class over the Yuan, but as a one off test boat for sub launched ballistic missiles

it might just be comparable to the Yuans, albeit with modifications to fulfill that role

that assertion can be disproved by PLAN adopting Qing class as the next generation diesel submarine class and mass producing them

Even base on this, isn't Yuan suppose to be superior than Kilo anyways? China had over a decade to study it, take it apart, and after they build Yuan they never went back to purchase more Kilo from Russia.

Or have diesel submarines's quieting technology became so advanced in the 1980s, there is just not that much room to improve in this area anymore?

 

[paintgun]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Even base on this, isn't Yuan suppose to be superior than Kilo anyways? China had over a decade to study it, take it apart, and after they build Yuan they never went back to purchase more Kilo from Russia.

Or have diesel submarines's quieting technology became so advanced in the 1980s, there is just not that much room to improve in this area anymore?

of course there are room for improvements, that is why navies of the world are still launching new classes of submersibles

but as secretive as submarines are, we just don't have any information of how the Qing is supposedly an improvement over the Yuan

the only deductible difference would be outside appearance like the extra segment in the center of the sail, hull bulb modification, and diving plane location, all points to room reserved for a canister or two of sub launched missiles

it is certainly better than the Kilos (remember it's the old 636 variant Russia sold to China, not the improved ones, and Russia has since moved into the Lada/Amur class), and that is where we all can start agreeing from

 

[timepass]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Even base on this, isn't Yuan suppose to be superior than Kilo anyways? China had over a decade to study it, take it apart, and after they build Yuan they never went back to purchase more Kilo from Russia.

Or have diesel submarines's quieting technology became so advanced in the 1980s, there is just not that much room to improve in this area anymore?

There is one more aspect in Qing Class SSK development is..PN involvement..

PN is very actively involve at current in Qing Class project by putting their extensive input which they gathered from U-214 & Merlin (such as Fuel Cells/AIP etc) which were remains on offer to PN for several years & PN had a very good look at these SSKs from inside out but PN went for Chinese project due to “strings attached”

 

[paintgun]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

There is one more aspect in Qing Class SSK development is..PN involvement..

PN is very actively involve at current in Qing Class project by putting their extensive input which they gathered from U-214 & Merlin (such as Fuel Cells/AIP etc) which were remains on offer to PN for several years & PN had a very good look at these SSKs from inside out but PN went for Chinese project due to “strings attached”

this is the second time you bring this up

it's an unreliable rumor, just like how the sale of the Qing to PN itself is nothing but a rumor
unless you can bring something to the table, there is absolutely no evidence of Pakistan contribution or involvement in the Qing class

 

[timepass]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

this is the second time you bring this up

it's an unreliable rumor, just like how the sale of the Qing to PN itself is nothing but a rumor
unless you can bring something to the table, there is absolutely no evidence of Pakistan contribution or involvement in the Qing class

Do you thing that PN or PLAN will give you documented or pictures proof...... rest is on you...:coffee:

 

[paintgun]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Do you thing that PN or PLAN will give you documented or pictures proof...... rest is on you...:coffee:

you can post something like the JF-17 block II/J-10B related interview with PN officers, that would be credible enough

for now its hot air, from you

 

[jackliu]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Do you thing that PN or PLAN will give you documented or pictures proof...... rest is on you...:coffee:

I believe the rule is, the person made the first claim must back it up.

 

[timepass]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

you can post something like the JF-17 block II/J-10B related interview with PN officers, that would be credible enough

for now its hot air, from you

I am not in an argument here, it’s up to you guys wana believe it or not…up to you…

Plus as far as JF17 is concern the involvement appears when the first prototype flew however, like Qing there is no evidence of PAF involvement in J10B.

 

[paintgun]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I am not in an argument here, it’s up to you guys wana believe it or not…up to you…

Plus as far as JF17 is concern the involvement appears when the first prototype flew however, like Qing there is no evidence of PAF involvement in J10B.

im talking about informal interview posted by Pakistan defense forum member with PAF officers about the JF-17 developments and J-10 procurement progress, which was then solidly confirmed by a magazine publication with details of JF-17 block II by PAF high ranking officers months later

that is the sort of information you want to bring to confirm something of such a tall order as you suggested

 

[timepass]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

im talking about informal interview posted by Pakistan defense forum member with PAF officers about the JF-17 developments and J-10 procurement progress, which was then solidly confirmed by a magazine publication with details of JF-17 block II by PAF high ranking officers months later

that is the sort of information you want to bring to confirm something of such a tall order as you suggested

I am constantly visiting this forum since I joined & what I notice is that people are unnecessary arguing on the authentication of some PICs or statements for long & then start believing.

Such as when J10B or J20 appeared in blurry PICs people start saying PS...