PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)
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Brumby
Major
In invoking national interest and the different shades that might arise thereof, the underlying belief is that power is (or ought to be) the primary end of political action and this pursuance of power is in the self interest of a nation at the expense of others. In short, the political ethical construct is that might is right. This discussion I must add is taking the whole theme far out into orbit from my initial comment and observation about a 1958 political note.
This conversation is no longer about the legality or historical veracity of any claim but about pursuance or raw power at the exclusion of all others and that conflict is necessarily endemic to such a political leaning. In its most basic construct, the political nature of man is its interaction with others in society. National interest argument involves the collectivization of individuals and the personification of states. Unfortunately individuals can suffer whereas states cannot. National interest in the 21st century in my opinion carries a different meaning. We are now totally interconnected and natural borders can no longer insulate pain and suffering. Conflict in the 21st century has the potential to inflict significant pain and suffering at best and the end of mankind (or nations) as we know of it at worst.
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Brumby
Major
I certainly wish China can do better than those that came before it. Maybe I am a dreamer but the alternative is too fearful to contemplate.
joshuatree
Captain
Curious, anyone with the full translation of pages 3 & 4?
Blackstone
Brigadier
Yeah, sure.
2 new ships are in service in this Fleet :
DDG 052D Kunming-172, based at Zhanjiang/2 Destroyer Flotilla with the 051B 167 Shenzhen and 2 Luda T051G1: 165 Zhanjiang; T051G2: 166-Zuhai, make sense this Destroyer Flotilla was the only which did not 4 destroyers.
Found on Chinese Wikipédia
The 3 next 052D are for she
待入役 : pending commissioning
Other ship the last 056, Luzhou-592 based to Yulin /2è Flot Xisha/Paracels with the 056-585 according several sites* 589 is also based there.
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DDG 052D Kunming-172, based at Zhanjiang/2 Destroyer Flotilla with the 051B 167 Shenzhen and 2 Luda T051G1: 165 Zhanjiang; T051G2: 166-Zuhai, make sense this Destroyer Flotilla was the only which did not 4 destroyers.
Found on Chinese Wikipédia
The 3 next 052D are for she
待入役 : pending commissioning
Other ship the last 056, Luzhou-592 based to Yulin /2è Flot Xisha/Paracels with the 056-585 according several sites* 589 is also based there.
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Great number of modem ships coming online but I believe the bottleneck in deploying abroad is going to be lack of overseas bases not for power projection but simply maritime operations
You simply can't do long range international maritime operations successfully unless you have a stop for replenishment on land not to mention repair, replacement and overhaul facility
If China wants to operate around the world they will need oversea base again not for power projection but for simple maritime operations
You simply can't do long range international maritime operations successfully unless you have a stop for replenishment on land not to mention repair, replacement and overhaul facility
If China wants to operate around the world they will need oversea base again not for power projection but for simple maritime operations
Should China have bases in say the South Atlantic or should it encourage Brazil, South Africa and other friendly states to ensure maritime safety in their area and if necessary make use of their facilities if Chinese vessels are deployed there? The second is more in line with the Westphalian model of international relations than the current hegemon model.
Blackstone
Brigadier
No, China shouldn't have bases all over the globe, since there's a better way. The US and China get along quite well outside the Western Pacific, and have cooperated many ways to support the global commons and provide public goods. I recall reading an article on a US 4-star general (not an admiral) vaguely referring to possibility of Chinese ships using US facilities for support. I can't find that article, and I don't know if anything came of it. Nevertheless, the US has shown her willingness to work with the reemerging great civilization, and China should return the friendly gesture.
i think the first place and best place to start is Pakistan. a friendly country which china has deep ties with and located in a position china really needs pay attention to. they may not call it a base and keep it low key but this 'friendly port' would have Chinese personal and equipment there to fully support Chinese vessels that operate around the indian ocean area.