Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
If they do that that is the beginning of WWIII. Easy to get in difficult to extract yourself.You think Korea is bad wait what come next
PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)
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If they do that that is the beginning of WWIII. Easy to get in difficult to extract yourself.You think Korea is bad wait what come next
Blackstone
Brigadier
There wouldn't be WW3 over SCS, because China basically won it without ever firing a shot. Westerners might not like it, but there isn't much they could realisticly do about it either. I read a recent story about some DoD spokesman saying SCS would be a Chinese lake in 5-10 years. My wager is more 5 than 10. It's all over but the shouting.
Indeed.
By then, there would be no interruption to the Freedom of Navigation as understood by most nations (i.e., civilian types) just as there is no such thing today. The $5 trillion (or $6, $7 trillion) commerce through SCS will have no problem transiting at all. China will not take over everything within the 9 dash lines. Vietnam, Philippine, Malaysia or Brunei will still hold the SCS islands they hold today. The US will still have their normal bilateral relationships with any of the ASEAN countries: trade, economic, political, or even joint military exercises. The US can still sail their naval ships through SCS without problems, although they might be a bit more reluctant to navigate too closely to Chinese islands in SCS.
In other words, when most people look back at the tension among SCS island claimants and particularly between the US and China over the last few years: they will feel it's much ado about nothing.
However, there will be some subtle differences, at least psychologically among some people: it would be difficult for the US to jump into any SCS disputes and appoint itself judge, jury and policeman. But then again, most Americans will probably lose interest in SCS anyhow.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
The latest picture from Fiery Island aka Yongshu. Almost done. We can count 24 Hangar plus 4 large hangar. Administrative, hospital and barrack building are done.Harbor,Airport, sensor all done. Still plenty of space for future expansion. Where is the farm and greenhouse, park?. It is like small town.Incredible!
View from the ground
View from the ground
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
To guard against intrusion China has this in mind. they have tested a new Li battery that work in deep sea for buoy and I have no doubt anti submarine sensor
China has successfully tested its underwater robot from 3,000 meters of , attaining the salvage capability from the same depth
Here is the deep sea battery
China has successfully tested its underwater robot from 3,000 meters of , attaining the salvage capability from the same depth
Here is the deep sea battery
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
By itself the robot is not a weapon or sensor.But in order to buil the infrastructure of underwater great wall you need the tool And that is exactly what this robot is for.So today news in big step in realization of underwater great wall
Here is the actual video
And here is the robot in work to lay cable and buried it under the sand
And here the future look like for underwater great wall
The Great Underwater Wall Of Robots: Chinese Exhibit Shows Off Sea Drones
Chinese Robot Submarines Blanketing the Ocean Floor Soon
By June 22, 2016
Underwater Great Wall of China
The Underwater Great Wall may be centered around stationary sensors on the ocean bed, but autonomous unmanned underwater vehicles will be a critical enabler in not just tracking enemy submarines, but finding them. Also note the large AUV's reflection on the display glass.
The Chinese Navy, the PLAN, appears to be following in the footsteps of its sister service, the People's Liberation Army Air Force, in making growing investments in unmanned surface and underwater systems, aka "drones." A new Chinese exhibit shows the scale of the potential future.
A Wide Range of UUVs
China is experimenting in building autonomous UUVs of all shapes and sizes, looking to make them work together with each other, and Chinese warships too.
One area where unmanned underwater vehicles (UUV) and unmanned surface vehicles (USV) would make a splash is in Chinese anti-submarine warfare (ASW) efforts. ASW capabilities have been a longstanding weak spot for the PLAN, leaving it at a disadvantage to American and Japanese attack submarines. As a response, the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), which builds virtually all PLAN warships, has proposed an "Underwater Great Wall" of sensors, positioned on the seabed floor, to listen for enemy submarines. (The US had a similar system on the Atlantic Ocean floor to listen for Soviet submarines.) Such underwater listening posts may already have been installed near the giant PLAN base at Sanya, Hainan Island in the South China Sea. On a more optimistic note, CSSC suggested that an Underwater Great Wall would be useful for warning against natural disasters like tsunami, and could be used to collect research data on marine life and geology.
System of Systems
Future Chinese anti-submarine warfare systems will rely on a wide arsenal of autonomous and surface unmanned vehicles, in addition to acoustic (and other types of) sensors installed on the ocean floor.
In addition to active and passive sensors located up to 3,000 meters underwater, the Underwater Great Wall will be supported by a wide range of USVs. Chinese researchers intend that these autonomous USVs will be able to work in conjunction with the seabed sensor picket line, and autonomously locate and track enemy submarines.
Here is the actual video
And here is the robot in work to lay cable and buried it under the sand
And here the future look like for underwater great wall
The Great Underwater Wall Of Robots: Chinese Exhibit Shows Off Sea Drones
Chinese Robot Submarines Blanketing the Ocean Floor Soon
By June 22, 2016
Underwater Great Wall of China
The Underwater Great Wall may be centered around stationary sensors on the ocean bed, but autonomous unmanned underwater vehicles will be a critical enabler in not just tracking enemy submarines, but finding them. Also note the large AUV's reflection on the display glass.
The Chinese Navy, the PLAN, appears to be following in the footsteps of its sister service, the People's Liberation Army Air Force, in making growing investments in unmanned surface and underwater systems, aka "drones." A new Chinese exhibit shows the scale of the potential future.
A Wide Range of UUVs
China is experimenting in building autonomous UUVs of all shapes and sizes, looking to make them work together with each other, and Chinese warships too.
One area where unmanned underwater vehicles (UUV) and unmanned surface vehicles (USV) would make a splash is in Chinese anti-submarine warfare (ASW) efforts. ASW capabilities have been a longstanding weak spot for the PLAN, leaving it at a disadvantage to American and Japanese attack submarines. As a response, the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), which builds virtually all PLAN warships, has proposed an "Underwater Great Wall" of sensors, positioned on the seabed floor, to listen for enemy submarines. (The US had a similar system on the Atlantic Ocean floor to listen for Soviet submarines.) Such underwater listening posts may already have been installed near the giant PLAN base at Sanya, Hainan Island in the South China Sea. On a more optimistic note, CSSC suggested that an Underwater Great Wall would be useful for warning against natural disasters like tsunami, and could be used to collect research data on marine life and geology.
System of Systems
Future Chinese anti-submarine warfare systems will rely on a wide arsenal of autonomous and surface unmanned vehicles, in addition to acoustic (and other types of) sensors installed on the ocean floor.
In addition to active and passive sensors located up to 3,000 meters underwater, the Underwater Great Wall will be supported by a wide range of USVs. Chinese researchers intend that these autonomous USVs will be able to work in conjunction with the seabed sensor picket line, and autonomously locate and track enemy submarines.
Sorry, but this is just nonsensical. By your logic you could label ANY conflict between adversaries as a "war scenario" and deem it against the rules. Oh, you want to talk about whether an HHQ-9 can shoot down a LRASM? NO you better not because it's a "war scenario" and against forum rules. Does the 093B iteration finally have enough technological sophistication to find and sink an LA class sub? That's a "war scenario"; can't talk about it. Against forum rules. Let's talk about the weather.
The presumption of course is that a generalized conflict has already started, or at least that an invasion of these islets is part of the initiation of hostilities. We don't have to talk about generalized war between the two countries itself to imagine specific areas of conflict like SCS base defense vs an incursion from the sea.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
Sorry, but this is just nonsensical. By your logic you could label ANY conflict between adversaries as a "war scenario" and deem it against the rules. Oh, you want to talk about whether an HHQ-9 can shoot down a LRASM? NO you better not because it's a "war scenario" and against forum rules. Does the 093B iteration finally have enough technological sophistication to find and sink an LA class sub? That's a "war scenario"; can't talk about it. Against forum rules. Let's talk about the weather.
The presumption of course is that a generalized conflict has already started, or at least that an invasion of these islets is part of the initiation of hostilities. We don't have to talk about generalized war between the two countries itself to imagine specific areas of conflict like SCS base defense vs an incursion from the sea.
I'm not going to bother arguing with a child that obviously have a inferiority complex. If I still had my mod powers you would have gotten your suspension a long time ago.
Judging by this response I'm sure there were good reasons for you not having mod powers. I note that you have no substantive response to what I said about "war scenarios" except to hurl laughably useless insults; let me assure you they are absolutely wasted on me.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
Yes, its called having a life and being absent from the forum for 10 years