PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

Equation said:

But history is FACTS, I don't know what you're trying to dismiss. History and logic dictates that China has been doing activities far longer than any of the other SCS claimants, therefore it's rightfully belongs to her. The more those that disclaim history of China the more they are wrong and deep down they know it. It's ALL about legitimacy and China has far more legitimacy claim than the other claimants as well.

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Do you understand that you making claims and assertion without providing one shred of evidence to your historical facts. Sovereignty claims deal with both facts and law. At this stage I am not even asking you the legal basis but simply the historical facts and you have yet to provide anything to support your assertion.

nfgc said:

Yrch, nor anyone else, has not replied here. In effect, he has walked away and ignored the challenge.

As I predicted.

I must be very lucky to be able to guess correctly so often.

I encountered this often in China. When they did not want to talk about something (or realised I understood them), they would simply close their mouth, or turn and walk away, or declare by fiat that the discussion was over.

What they do not understand is that silence and omission communicate just as clearly.

I miss playing poker with them. Easy money.

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I see a lot of China or CCP haters behave the same way when faced with evidence contrary to their opinions, both on this forum and elsewhere, shame on all the people in denial.

PanAsian said:

I see a lot of China or CCP haters behave the same way when faced with evidence contrary to their opinions, both on this forum and elsewhere, shame on all the people in denial.

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Non response sometimes is because the so called evidence provided (that is if it even qualify within the meaning of the word) is either so irrational or absurd that it doesn't warrant a reply. A fresh example of historical evidence :

solarz said:

You realize they have a whole museum dedicated to just such activities? China has been plying these waters since before any of the other claimant nations, with the possible exception of Vietnam, has even existed.

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I don't know what a qualitative response mean in your world view but such a reply is junior grade.

Brumby said:

Non response sometimes is because the so called evidence provided (that is if it even qualify within the meaning of the word) is either so irrational or absurd that it doesn't warrant a reply. A fresh example of historical evidence :



I don't know what a qualitative response mean in your world view but such a reply is junior grade.

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So everyone who supports China's claim is a village idiot and only "facts" provided by the West are true

Gentlemen, can we get back to topic? I'd like to read more discussion about the PLAN bases in the South China Sea. There are other threads for the politics and strategy surrounding them.

Is this a weather or aerial surveillance radar? Or can it be both?

Brumby said:

Non response sometimes is because the so called evidence provided (that is if it even qualify within the meaning of the word) is either so irrational or absurd that it doesn't warrant a reply. A fresh example of historical evidence :

I don't know what a qualitative response mean in your world view but such a reply is junior grade.

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I was on the fence about whether or not to put you on my ignore list, as I do not like doing so lightly. However, with this post, you have just proven yourself to be incapable of any worthwhile discussion.

Therefore, on the list you go.

Brumby said:

Do you understand that you making claims and assertion without providing one shred of evidence to your historical facts. Sovereignty claims deal with both facts and law. At this stage I am not even asking you the legal basis but simply the historical facts and you have yet to provide anything to support your assertion.

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At this stage you have already lost the argument and the non-Chinese sovereignty claims. Next time read the history of China and it's maps before trying to sound relevant. Even Donald Trump wouldn't have made such foolish and childish mistakes in regards to China's sovereignty, but we all know you are desperate.

Equation said:

At this stage you have already lost the argument and the non-Chinese sovereignty claims. Next time read the history of China and it's maps before trying to sound relevant. Even Donald Trump wouldn't have made such foolish and childish mistakes in regards to China's sovereignty, but we all know you are desperate.

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Sorry I think you are going off tangent. You are the one asserting that China's island claims are foundered on historical facts. I am now asking for the third time that you provide facts in support of your assertion. It is not for me to conduct research on your behalf.

solarz said:

I was on the fence about whether or not to put you on my ignore list, as I do not like doing so lightly. However, with this post, you have just proven yourself to be incapable of any worthwhile discussion.

Therefore, on the list you go.

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How you wish to conduct yourself is your prerogative but that doesn't mean you have immunity from making juvenistic statements and not being called out. You are asserting that China's historical claims can be found in the museum. Do you actually understand your comment is next to useless as it is non verifiable, not determinable and clearly has no substance to it?

If you wish to act as surrogates to defend China's claims at least take the effort to do your research and not make superficial comments as if they carry substance.

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Sorry I think you are going off tangent. You are the one asserting that China's island claims are foundered on historical facts. I am now asking for the third time that you provide facts in support of your assertion. It is not for me to conduct research on your behalf.
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No you have all the facts before hand. You're just trying to dilute the facts by continuing this charade game.

joshuatree said:

Oh quite a few other govts and states have their share of hypocrisies, finding itself at a loss in explaining its actions, resorting to statements of anger at others, having their own surrogate fanbois, etc.

However, nfgc's self contradictions are evident even at the scale of govts and states.

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I admitted the flaws of other nations. Yet you cannot read for comprehension and you continue to mention that I do not bring up said hypocrisies.

I conclude you are debating dishonestly.

Therefore, I am not going to spend my time debating, what is in effect, the entire pro-China, propaganda membership of this board, and its moderating staff.

You will never change. I will never convince you of anything. Certainly trying to convince anyone who is Chinese, if you are, to change their mind on this subject is beyond impossible.

The Chinese are set in their mindset, as are you and the membership of this forum. China the victim. Everyone else wrong. China always justified. China seeking revenge for things that happened 20, 100, 150, 200, 700, 1500 years ago.

(These similarities in thinking are some of the many clues as to who posts here.)

Words will not resolve this. There is no common ground.