PLAN Future FFG design

Solaris said:

Now we are talking semantics, but we are also talking about the near future, as in the very next iteration of a PLAN frigate. In 30 years who knows what kind of capabilities we will see (lasers/EM weapons, rail guns, etc.), but I think we are ok to speculate on maybe the next 5-10 years at least; for my part I am only speculating on the 054B here and its relation to other ships of the PLAN and the USN. And in that time I don't see any PLAN frigate systems surpassing the Aegis, which I repeatedly use because I feel it is still the gold standard of combat data systems even after all this time. And that is because it has been continuously updated and its bugs worked out over a period of decades, a learning process that the PLAN and its systems have not had. If you like, though, we can start referring to 'Aegis' as a placeholder for whatever the most powerful/capable combat data system is, now or 50 years from now.

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Yes, well the semantics of the word aegis is exactly what I was trying to get at.

I'd prefer if we didn't use aegis as a placeholder given how many differing interpretations of that word exists. I think it would be clearest if we simply say an FFG will be "relatively" less capable than any equivalent DDGs of its own generation — a description I don't think anyone can challenge (nor misinterpret).
It is a bit more of a mouthful, but it also avoids any generational mishaps.

Looking at the various NATO navies. It's more the role of the ship than the capacity of the ship class.

Destroyers are designed with a way bigger focus on blue water/carrier escort missions in mind. But looking at APAR, SMART-L, PAAMS etc. frigates aren't less capable than destroyers.

Possible 054B/057

Just a speculative drawing without credibility.

Bltizo said:

Just a speculative drawing without credibility.

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how do you know? ... it seems they have spent quite considerable time and effort, and it looks quite professionally made

Anybody kind enough to translate it, please .. look interesting to me

antiterror13 said:

how do you know? ... it seems they have spent quite considerable time and effort, and it looks quite professionally made

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Everything about it is wrong.
Ship size, Peripheral VLS, forward VLS placement, presence of an L band radar (??), and a variety of other subsystems that either don't exist, or that we have neither seen or heard evidence of.


And the fact that it looks like something from a Saturday morning cartoon is a not so subtle hint as to its credibility.


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Effort and prettiness =/= credibility

A.Man said:

Possible 054B/057

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Looks like they took a basic picture of a Type 054A and then jazzed it up to include everything they could think of.

SMART-L radar? Seriously? Taken from the Europeans.

PVLS? Really? Taken from the Zumwalt.
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And MH-60R Helo? Taken directly from the US design.

No...it's a nice "what-if," but not really credible.

From Oedo. It will be the first PLAN ship powered by IEPS
＞…telling Jane's that a version was being built for China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

IDEX 2017: Chinese Navy to acquire new trimaran hull frigate
Richard D Fisher Jr, Abu Dhabi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
21 February 2017

The China Shipbuilding Trading Corporation (CSSC) has revealed a new trimaran-hulled frigate concept at the IDEX show held in Abu Dhabi, telling Jane's that a version was being built for China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

The trimaran vessel, as displayed by CSSC at IDEX. (Richard D Fisher Jr)The trimaran vessel, as displayed by CSSC at IDEX. (Richard D Fisher Jr)

The specifications provided by CSSC for the trimaran vessel state that it displaces 2,450 tonnes, has a length of 142 m, a width of 32.6 m, a cruising speed of 25 kt, and an endurance of 30 days. A CSSC official added that its top speed is between 30-35 kt and that it has a crew of more than 100.

CSSC officials said the vessel uses diesel engines that power a "marine electric propulsion system" that in turn drive three pump jets. It does not have a secondary propeller propulsion system.

Although lighter than China's Type 054A frigate, the trimaran carries a similar armament of one 76 mm main gun, vertical launch tubes for 16 or 32 missiles, eight anti-ship missile launchers, two close-in weapon systems, and hangar space for two helicopters.

CSSC also revealed a concept for a 700 tonne derivative of the PLAN's Type 022 catamaran fast attack craft (FAC). It is armed with a 76 mm gun and four anti-ship missile launchers. CSSC officials said the PLAN has so far shown no interest in this version and there are no plans to build it.

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CSSC also displayed a model of a 700 tonne derivative of the PLAN's Type 022 catamaran FAC. (Richard D Fisher Jr)CSSC also displayed a model of a 700 tonne derivative of the PLAN's Type 022 catamaran FAC. (Richard D Fisher Jr)


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Sounds like a worthy successor to 056. Hopefully the PLAN variant has gas turbine propulsion. 16-cell VLS should be ok if AShMs are in separate box launchers.