PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Video of how SU-33 could work off of a PLAN carrier

Would I be right In assuming that as the Russian Navy's Su-33s were built in the late 80's/early 90's that the airframe of these planes would be heavier than any new build Su-33s for the PLAN which will probably have airframes with modern lightweight composites used In their construction.

Anyway heres a couple of good pics from on board Kuznetsov.

Re: Video of how SU-33 could work off of a PLAN carrier

crobato said:

The Moskit hanging under the Su-33 is pure airshow BS. The Russians have been rightly criticized for it and from that time on, they only show missiles hanging on planes that actually support the missiles or intend to.

As far as the Moskit, it is far too heavy (4100kg) for the Su-33 to take off, but the weight of such is not indicative of the average AshM today. The Su-33 lacked a radar that has a sea search and target capability that can be used to lock on to ship targets; the radar is a mere navalized N001, which is basically an air to air radar.

Most AshMs weigh around 700kg roughly, because I am assuming this based on the Kh-31A China has acquired and the YJ-83 China uses on its JH-7As. Four of these missiles will not not reach the same weight as a single air launched Moskit, which no country has ordered.

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Yeah, the Moskit is way too heavy to be carried from a carrier-based aircraft like the Su-33.
But would it be able to get off the carrier with it, if the carrier had catapults?

By the way, your facts are off. The Moskit does not have the NATO reporting name of Krypton. The name is Sunburn. The Kh-31A/P are the ones called Krypton. Both missiles are standard and operational equipment on Chinese Su-30MKKs and MK2s. It won't be a stretch to have the required avionics applied on the Su-33. Another AshM, the 450kg Kh-35 Switchblade is smaller still.

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I am terribly sorry. I made an too quick conclusion. I confused the SS-N-22 and the AS-X-22. You are absolutly right; they have nothing in common.

But hey, have the proposed air launched version of the Moskit received an designation yet? Since the Moskit were long thought to be able to be launched by the Su-33, I guess NATO must have thought on something. I doubt it was called "Sunburn", as it denotes a ship launched weapon.

The older Su-33s use a slightly overtuned AL-31F. The new ones KnAAPO is trying to sell will use the more powerful -F3 engines. Let us factor that the Su-33KUB introduced in 1999 has revised wings and lifting surfaces for greater lift than the original Su-33.

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So you belive the Su-33UB/Su-27KUB will be able to take off with a valuable weapon load?


Oh, and btw: I have now digged up pictures of 24 different bort numbered Su-33s, along with alot of Kuznetsov "action" shots. If you guys wan't too, I can host alot of them. Just let me know.

Re: Video of how SU-33 could work off of a PLAN carrier

As far as the Kh-41 air launced Moskit goes, it is a dead project. Dead as d-e-a-d. I don't think China plans to buy them so no funds to finish their development. Raduga has concentrated instead on the Kh-59MK antiship missile, which is based on an improvement of the Kh-59ME airframe. Each of these missiles is probably around 900kg and a Flanker is expected to cary two of them. Yes the designation for the missile is Kh-41, but there is no NATO reporting name and why should it have the honor of one, since it never appeared in service.

As far as the Su-33UB goes I would expect that it could carry off the decks with weapons loads. It has redesigned wing surfaces and area tha gives it better lift than the Su-33. It also uses composites to reduce its weight, and recently spotted with TVC nozzles (one wonders who is financing these developments). If fitted with more powerful engines, with TVC, with the new wings and lighter construction, all working in conjunction now, who is to say it won't be able to achieve the task at hand? Let's point out it does not need to lift the Moskit anymore, with the project dead, there should be no requirement for such. But at least it should be able to lift four Kh-31As or Kh-35s, or two Kh-59MKs.

Re: Latest Varyag Pics

bd popeye said:

I just went to the Dailan New Shipyard site. ... ...Oh yea I'm gonna email them. Right now.

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hi, dude, how about email your son or friends in right position and ask them about how real is "high temperature gas cooling" reactor in Chinese 093/094 nuke subs. That will be lots fun, too!

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Typhoon said:

hi, dude, how about email your son or friends in right position and ask them about how real is "high temperature gas cooling" reactor in Chinese 093/094 nuke subs. That will be lots fun, too!

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:rofl:
USN is not worried about those reactors. Evertime one goes on line the USN probally knows about it!

In all seriousness I really did email them and have recieved no answer. When and if I get one I will post it..Like I said..all they can say is no. I will be surprised if I get any answer.

Hey why don't you email General Dynamics and get some bluprinys for some of the gizmos they make!....

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bd popeye said:

:rofl:
USN is not worried about those reactors. Evertime one goes on line the USN probally knows about it!

In all seriousness I really did email them and have recieved no answer. When and if I get one I will post it..Like I said..all they can say is no. I will be surprised if I get any answer.

Hey why don't you email General Dynamics and get some bluprinys for some of the gizmos they make!....

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Take easy, pal! :rofl:

I asked you how your friends think about how true the Chinese "high temperature gas cooling" reactor is, I didn't ask you whether USN is worry about it or not. :rofl:

Since you are at it, maybe you can share with us why Pentagon is so "uneasy" (not "worried" as you insisted) about China in their latest QDR (). And, for the purpose of showing their uneasiness, USN is going to hold the biggest exercise in Asia Pacific ().

BTW, I am not going to email GD anything, I don't want to be accused of trying to steal the "crown jewel" of American reactor technology in the way as Lee Wen Ho was accused to (). And, also, I don't want to be accused of being a gay lover of some ex-FBI guy mad: yuk! ) ().

You know, this "great powerful democratic country" is capable to do anything they want and not to worry about it. :rofl:

Re: Latest Varyag Pics

Get back to topic guys, I would hate to close a long and good thread like this! :nono:

Re: Latest Varyag Pics

It may not necessarily involve Varyag, but has anyone seen this item?:



It talks of an auction of the Russian carrier Minsk that is currently being used as an amusement park in the city of Shenzhen. I wonder what will become of it. BTW, the last pic of Varyag looks cleaner. I'll be interested to see if and when they put anything of interest on it.

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To Typhoon..I was kidding..really. Sorry.

Hencforth in this thread I will not make any more jokes about the Varyag or any subject.

Seadog, That article is very short. And does not say much. The Minsk is probally in poor condidtion as far a engineering goes. But who will they sell it to? Scrapyard? Or the PLAN? Once again we are forced to speculate.