PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Su-27 Pilot

Su-27 Pilot

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Sea Dog said:
Perhaps they could. I wonder if Russia would just sell them the SU-33's outright. I doubt they would, but I'm sure the PLAN could upgrade their own Sukhoi's to be navalized and carrier capable. I really like the Su-30 MKK's and wonder if they can be navalized in this way.:confused:
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Su-30 MKKs are heavy fighter-bombers, and the PLAN wants more of a Fighter/Anti-ship roles than a Fighter-bomber. I believe the Su-30 Mkks are more useful in Air force services. Su-33s are made for Naval battles.
 
Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

bd popeye said:
That day is comming. Imangine the discussion in this forum the day it finally happens? Some here would have the PRC conquering the world with it. But that's OK. I look foward the day the PLAN CV goes to sea.
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I agree. It will be mighty interesting and is apt to make a lot of folks here very happy, and surprise a lot of western analysts.
bd popeye said:
As for the aircraft of the "mystic" PLAN CV. I think it will be MIG29's. If there was any other variant of a J-10, Su-33, Su-27 or any other aircraft being "navalized" we would have seen some real pics by now. Or even some "PS" pics.
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Unless the PLAN was doing it themselves and not "buying" it from the Russinas. If they were converting, say 25 of their own SU-27s or SU-30s...or even better, of their own license built J-11s, to an SU-33-like variant on their own (and I believe they are capable of doing so), then they could keep THTA very quiet indeed.

Just my opinion.
 
Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Su-27 Pilot said:
Su-30 MKKs are heavy fighter-bombers, and the PLAN wants more of a Fighter/Anti-ship roles than a Fighter-bomber. I believe the Su-30 Mkks are more useful in Air force services. Su-33s are made for Naval battles.
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The PLAN is perfectly capable of taking a Chinese SU-27, SU-30, or (more likely) their own license built J11s, and converting them to an SU-33-like aircraft for use on a carrier.

I expect that is what they may do...but that is just my opinion.
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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the original pic may have been a nimitz under construction. but soeone psed it into dalian. the nimits is bigger than this...
 
Su-27 Pilot

Su-27 Pilot

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Jeff Head said:
The PLAN is perfectly capable of taking a Chinese SU-27, SU-30, or (more likely) their own license built J11s, and converting them to an SU-33-like aircraft for use on a carrier.

I expect that is what they may do...but that is just my opinion.
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I thought J-11 payloads are pretty weak compared to Su-27s and Su-30s
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Su-27 Pilot said:
I thought J-11 payloads are pretty weak compared to Su-27s and Su-30s
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nope. it has 10 hardpoints. most likely, sukoi will try to market china an upgrade kit similar to the skm for china to upograde its j-11s
 
Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Su-27 Pilot said:
I thought J-11 payloads are pretty weak compared to Su-27s and Su-30s
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I think it has pretty good payload capability and would not be surprised if the PLAN converts a few on their own to an SU-33-like configuration. It would make a lot of sense.
 
Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

MIGleader said:
nope. it has 10 hardpoints. most likely, sukoi will try to market china an upgrade kit similar to the skm for china to upograde its j-11s
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That's what I thought. What are your thoughts on the PLAN converting some J11s to an "SU-33-like" naval configuration?
 
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Sea Dog

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Hi Jeff. I can see the J-11's retro-fitted as navalized units. But I also thought the Su-30 MKK's, while heavy, have a decent sized payload. Weight is not the end all for PLAN here. Look at the F-14 Tomcat. That is a very heavyweight aircraft and it performed beautifully.

Here's a question for you in return, Jeff. Do you think Russia would just sell the PLAN Su-33's outright? I don't think they would myself. But like you say, PLAN could very well convert J-11's to a navalized configuration.
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Jeff Head said:
That's what I thought. What are your thoughts on the PLAN converting some J11s to an "SU-33-like" naval configuration?
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in order to take off from a ski jump, the j-11 will need two high power thrust vectoring engines. and canards. the entire radar and avionics suitre would have to be reconfiugured to fit specialized naval gear. dont even get to the training pilots part...
 
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