PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

bd popeye said:

I agree. Some sort of super secrect deal could have been made. Who knows for sure? Hell..we don't even know if the Varyag is going to be a CV. Personally I think it will. I think it will be armed with MIG-29's just like the upcomming IN CV.

BUT if the PLAN hhas developed some sort of CV based J-10 variant. Wow! that would be big news.

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One question though, why do u think that some kind of secret purchase of flankers have been made? Also do u think China would eventually go for the cancelled Ulyanovsk aircraft carrier or would they do that within 6/7 years after they finish Varyag?:china:

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLABUDDY said:

do u think China would eventually go for the cancelled Ulyanovsk aircraft carrier or would they do that within 6/7 years after they finish Varyag?:china:

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I believe the PLAN may have already started (somewhere) their first carrier. Probably just cutting initial steel at this point, no keel laid...but I believe we will see it taking shape in some shipyard within the next couple of years.

Also, just as a resource, you can find nice pics of every aircraft carrier existing on earth today at the following link:



The site also has links to each carrier's home page (when available) from their native country.

The site has a domain... ... that might not be up yet.

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Gollevainen said:

yes, but as i mentioned, Brazilian navy has operated jets for only few years now

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Gollevainen, you can find nice pics of Brazil's new Sao Paulo launching its new A4Ms..and of every other carrier existing on earth today...at the following link:



The site also has links to each carrier's home page (when available) from their native country.

The site has a new doman name... ...but it might not be working yet.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

bd popeye said:

....To me thei sland has not been painted because structure is waiting for installation of electronic equipment. Radars and assosiated equipment.

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I agree - sounds logical, the hull was in dry dock to be paintet in a view day, the island could wait for finishing the installation of some equipment;

but why do jou think that MIG 29 could be used by a chinese carrier?

Russia desided to use the SU on Varjags sistership, only India will use the MiG - there new carrier is smaller, so probalbly they cant use the SU; the Mig will have more short starting capabilitiy, but the range is also much smaller as with the SU.
I prefer the SU - the SU 30 MK 2 is used by PLANAF UI unit, the Su-27SK/UBK by Flight Test & Training Centre Cangzhou, Hebei Beijing - and the J-11 could get indigenious chinese carrier-equipping, like folding wings and the arrestor-hook; there is also no much change from SU 27/SU 30 to the russian carrier-variant SU-33

I also think, indegenious chinese fighters like the J-10 and trainers like the L-15 could be prepared for carrier-operations. If the PLAN is going to operate carriers - and thats what most of people her thinking - they offcourse would prepare there own new aircrafts to be used there.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Jeff Head said:

I believe the PLAN may have already started (somewhere) their first carrier. Probably just cutting initial steel at this point, no keel laid...but I believe we will see it taking shape in some shipyard within the next couple of years.

Also, just as a resource, you can find nice pics of every aircraft carrier existing on earth today at the following link:

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The site also has links to each carrier's home page (when available) from their native country.

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... that might not be up yet.

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Thank you Jeff. I like your web site.

I still think that China would propably go for the calcelled Ulyanovsk-class carrier. May be not right away but i still think they will or at lease purchase the blue print. And i believe this may take place before China build a carrier completely on it's own. What do u guys think.:china:

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PLABUDDY said:

Thank you Jeff. I like your web site.

I still think that China would propably go for the calcelled Ulyanovsk-class carrier. What do u guys think.:china:

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Thanks. I made that site for a resource for everyone and will keep it up to date. It is amazing how many nations have already got at least one carrier (even Thailand)...and how many are starting to build large deck LPH style ships.

As to the PLAN carrier, the Russians certainly had a good start on that project and it would certainly help their development and build time to adopt it. You may be right.

Particularly if the PLAN commissions the Varyag...they will be fairly tight and committed to the Russian technology at that point and it would all come together for them. We shall see. Who knows...maybe the first metal they cut is for the Ulyanovsk class!

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Sczepan said:

I agree - sounds logical, the hull was in dry dock to be paintet in a view day, the island could wait for finishing the installation of some equipment;

but why do jou think that MIG 29 could be used by a chinese carrier?

Russia desided to use the SU on Varjags sistership, only India will use the MiG - there new carrier is smaller, so probalbly they cant use the SU; the Mig will have more short starting capabilitiy, but the range is also much smaller as with the SU.
I prefer the SU - the SU 30 MK 2 is used by PLANAF UI unit, the Su-27SK/UBK by Flight Test & Training Centre Cangzhou, Hebei Beijing - and the J-11 could get indigenious chinese carrier-equipping, like folding wings and the arrestor-hook; there is also no much change from SU 27/SU 30 to the russian carrier-variant SU-33

I also think, indegenious chinese fighters like the J-10 and trainers like the L-15 could be prepared for carrier-operations. If the PLAN is going to operate carriers - and thats what most of people her thinking - they offcourse would prepare there own new aircrafts to be used there.

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well, when kutnesov was first designed, the russians planned to fit a mix of mig 29s and su-33s. but later, financial problems and political reasons made the drop the migs.

obviously, the varyag must be first used as a training carrier, and after 2-3 years, she will become operation for military operations. certan counries like brazil, india, and thailand have carriers for little more than bragging rights. if china wants a blue water navy, it needs a carreir.

awsome site jeff.

Re: Latest Varyag Pics

hey jeff, you can make fake pics right? can u make a pic of varyag with a plan number And flight deck markings?

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MIGleader said:

hey jeff, you can make fake pics right? can u make a pic of varyag with a plan number?

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What number do you think it will take?

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

MIGleader said:

well, when kutnesov was first designed, the russians planned to fit a mix of mig 29s and su-33s. but later, financial problems and political reasons made the drop the migs.

awsome site jeff.

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Thanks. I just added some links on that site, including one to this forum.

As to the Migs, it is clear that originally the Soviets werre planning a fairly diverse and mixed airwing, including the Migs. I believe the Russians were also going to use the SU-25 Frogfoot (sort of the Russian equivalent of the A-10) as an attack aircraft off of her too. In fact, I believe they still have a t least one squardron of them in their naval air arm.

They also had plans for a prop driven AEW aircraft.

All of that dropped because of finances. Aircraft carriers and their operations are expensive. Only the richest of nations can operate several of them, with full air wings, effectively.