PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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PLABUDDY
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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
what would a heavy carrier do for china? well at lease it would be very useful in a conflict with Taiwan and other South China Sea nations. A Ulyanovsk-class carrier carries 70 aircrafts. So let's say when it comes to a battle with vietnam, a battle group with one Ulyanovsk can take the whole Vietnamese battle fleet on.:china:
We may not see much of a use for a heavy carrier now but we will when the PLAN get one and uses it properly.:china:
MIGleader said:
what would a heavy carrier do for china? well at lease it would be very useful in a conflict with Taiwan and other South China Sea nations. A Ulyanovsk-class carrier carries 70 aircrafts. So let's say when it comes to a battle with vietnam, a battle group with one Ulyanovsk can take the whole Vietnamese battle fleet on.:china:
We may not see much of a use for a heavy carrier now but we will when the PLAN get one and uses it properly.:china:
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
only amphibious or helo carriers could be usefull, because the distance is to long to be crossed by helos in a battle (max. range of WZ-11 or SA 342L Gazelle = arround 600 km, speed of (W) Z-9 is arround 300 km, compare it to the distance mainland-taiwan ... no way to use them on taiwanese grounds)
in a conflict with other South China Sea nations .... hmm .... some of them have airfields in a lot of the so called "Spratley-Islands", including Taiwan, and Thailand operate a carrier there (inclusive VTOL-planes if they ar operational ....) - but a amphibious carrier, carriing light attack fighters like the L 15 or JL-9 (FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle (ShanYing)) would be enough to reconcile them - and as I know, the relations between China and the ASEAN states continuing in a friendly way, so the conflicts in the South China Sea could be loosen in a politcal way.
A true "blue water navy" needs carriers out of home waters, to protect trade lines (I think, for example, about the arabian and african petrol), and to protect a convoi in dangerous waters all carriers, helo-, amphibious-, escort-, jeep- and aircraft carriers are very useful, also 4 power projection, international aid and UN-Intervention operations ....
the PLA don_t need carriers in a conflict with Taiwan, the "battlefield Taiwan" is near the mainland, so the plan could use land based planes in this area without problems;PLABUDDY said:
only amphibious or helo carriers could be usefull, because the distance is to long to be crossed by helos in a battle (max. range of WZ-11 or SA 342L Gazelle = arround 600 km, speed of (W) Z-9 is arround 300 km, compare it to the distance mainland-taiwan ... no way to use them on taiwanese grounds)
in a conflict with other South China Sea nations .... hmm .... some of them have airfields in a lot of the so called "Spratley-Islands", including Taiwan, and Thailand operate a carrier there (inclusive VTOL-planes if they ar operational ....) - but a amphibious carrier, carriing light attack fighters like the L 15 or JL-9 (FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle (ShanYing)) would be enough to reconcile them - and as I know, the relations between China and the ASEAN states continuing in a friendly way, so the conflicts in the South China Sea could be loosen in a politcal way.
A true "blue water navy" needs carriers out of home waters, to protect trade lines (I think, for example, about the arabian and african petrol), and to protect a convoi in dangerous waters all carriers, helo-, amphibious-, escort-, jeep- and aircraft carriers are very useful, also 4 power projection, international aid and UN-Intervention operations ....
Gauntlet
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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
Okey, sorry for this question:
On those pics posted in the last couple of pages, showing the Varyag in Dalian. You were talking about the ship beeing painted...are you talking about the redish color on the island? And in that case, isnt it possible they only did that because of propaganda purposes?
Okey, sorry for this question:
On those pics posted in the last couple of pages, showing the Varyag in Dalian. You were talking about the ship beeing painted...are you talking about the redish color on the island? And in that case, isnt it possible they only did that because of propaganda purposes?
PLABUDDY
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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
no i don't think so. If they are going to do it just for propaganda purpose they wouldn't need 3 years to do so and raise so many questions. I still think that Varyag is going to be a new unit in the PLAN.:china:Gauntlet said:
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
well when talking about painting, they meant the Hull painting. The red painting in Varyag's superstructures is same as in any chinese warships superstructures when being build, which indicates that something is done to her.
well when talking about painting, they meant the Hull painting. The red painting in Varyag's superstructures is same as in any chinese warships superstructures when being build, which indicates that something is done to her.
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
....instaling rulet boards, one-arm pirats, poker tables...and couple black gammon players...
....instaling rulet boards, one-arm pirats, poker tables...and couple black gammon players...
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
Very funny!:roll: Hey I thought there were no one line responses allowed??
In answer to this question. The red color paint is probaly just a "primer" paint. Which is used to prepare the surface to be painted. The USN uses a similar color paint called "red lead". To me thei sland has not been painted because structure is waiting for installation of electronic equipment. Radars and assosiated equipment.
Very funny!:roll: Hey I thought there were no one line responses allowed??
In answer to this question. The red color paint is probaly just a "primer" paint. Which is used to prepare the surface to be painted. The USN uses a similar color paint called "red lead". To me thei sland has not been painted because structure is waiting for installation of electronic equipment. Radars and assosiated equipment.
Gauntlet
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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?
Hmmm...and that makes me wonder. If they are preparing a sailable carrier, how come we havent heard jacked shit about them purchasing Flanker-Ds or navalizing local planes...?bd popeye said:
Would you go as far as saying the hull itself is all finished with its paint job?Gollevainen said: