PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

thunderchief

Senior Member
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Thanks for the information...seems like the Russians are having all the fun with the Vikramaditya.

What will be the max weight of that Mig-29? Will they be able to launch with a full "bag of fuel" Without enough fuel the Mig-29 missions will be limited.

That I would not know . There are some pretty wild claims on Indian forums like this below , but best I have seen so far is 2 x Kh-35 , 2 x fuel tank , 2 x R-73 .


Thanks to the emergency mode, an aircraft with the take off weight of 17,700 kg could take off from the first starting position (in this case the take off run was 105 m), and a 22,400-kg heavy plane could take off from the second starting position (in this case the take off run amounted to 195 m).


Great article!!.. I used the google translator..works a lot better doing Russian to English! Rather than Chinese to English. They need to fix that.

Article translated to English.

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It is easier to translate from Russian to English then from Chinese to English because both Russian and English belong to Indo-European group of languages and they have similar structure , only different words . On the other hand , Chinese belongs to Sino-Tibetan group so you cannot just replace words when translating to English .
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

It is easier to translate from Russian to English then from Chinese to English because both Russian and English belong to Indo-European group of languages and they have similar structure , only different words . On the other hand , Chinese belongs to Sino-Tibetan group so you cannot just replace words when translating to English .
But I well remember the hilariously bad translations of Russian reports brought out by NASA some forty years ago.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: PRC President reviews PLAN Naval Air

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South China Morning Post said:
President Xi Jinping has paid his first visit to the country's sole aircraft carrier - a trip that analysts said was designed to send a strong message to regional rivals.

Xi's inspection tour of the Liaoning in Dalian followed a series of naval advancements by China's neighbours, including Japan's launch of its largest military vessel since the second world war, the helicopter-carrier Izumo.

Yue Gang, a retired PLA colonel, said Xi's inspection tour was aimed at sending a signal to Tokyo. "It means China is developing its strategic weapon," Yue said. "China needs to further improve this weapon and should not be complacent with its recent [naval] advancement."

Ministry of National Defence spokesman Yang Yujun said on Thursday that although the Liaoning was China's first aircraft carrier, "there will surely be more in future".

China would fully consider the development of aircraft carriers in accordance with the needs of national defence and military build-up, Yang said at a news briefing.
 

Sczepan

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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

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South China Morning Post

Xi Jinping sends signal to neighbours with high-profile tour of Liaoning aircraft carrier
President greets sailors and commends flight crews at Dalian base

Saturday, 31 August, 2013, 11:01am

President Xi Jinping has paid his first visit to the country's sole aircraft carrier - a trip that analysts said was designed to send a strong message to regional rivals. Xi's inspection tour of the Liaoning in Dalian followed a series of naval advancements by China's neighbours, including Japan's launch of its largest military vessel since the second world war, the helicopter-carrier Izumo.
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Before boarding, Xi visited a People's Liberation Army naval training base to watch aircraft that will use the carrier practice landing exercises. Xi praised the pilots' performance and skills under complex weather conditions. The Liaoning's design allows it to carry about 30 fixed-wing aircraft, and the navy is still practising deck landings.
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Yue Gang, a retired PLA colonel, said Xi's inspection tour was aimed at sending a signal to Tokyo. "It means China is developing its strategic weapon," Yue said. "China needs to further improve this weapon and should not be complacent with its recent [naval] advancement."

Ministry of National Defence spokesman Yang Yujun said on Thursday that although the Liaoning was China's first aircraft carrier, "there will surely be more in future".
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In February, the PLA's main ship contractor, the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, said the Ministry of Science and Technology had approved funding for two research projects, including core technologies and safety studies for nuclear-powered ships.

Since taking power in November, Xi has paid regular visits to military facilities and urged PLA leaders to speed up their modernisation programme. He has placed particular focus on building a blue-water fleet, which he has described as necessary for securing China's revival.
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that's it: "the Ministry of Science and Technology had approved funding for two research projects". So we have two different ships - the one "Liaoning-like" in Dalian and the one with cat in Shanghai.
 

Intrepid

Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

So we have two different ships - the one "Liaoning-like" in Dalian and the one with cat in Shanghai.
Could be a competition that leads to only one class of ships. Or one ship-class soon and the other (nuclear powered?) later.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Could be a competition that leads to only one class of ships. Or one ship-class soon and the other (nuclear powered?) later.
Doubt it. Carriers aren't mass produced at any scale to warrant such practices. Far more likely that designs will be chronologically iterative until one is perfected to the PLAN's needs.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

" including core technologies and safety studies for nuclear-powered ships."
I would understand it as:
project on nuclear propulsion technology for later flattops
and
project to build one flattop
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

I believe we shall see a 2nd Liaonong style carrier from China which is kind of ironic because the Soviet Union had built two Kuznetsov Class carriers back in the 1980s

Actually if we look at it we can see China is where the Soviet Union was in terms of flat tops almost 30 years ago

But Soviets also had 2 x Mosvka Class, 4 x Kiev Class, 2 x Kuznetsov Class and the incomplete Ulyanovsk that's 9 flat tops

Plus the heavy hitters 5 x Kirov Class (1 incomplete) battle cruisers and 4 x Slava (1 incomplete)

In in terms of single tonnage warships Soviets had hell of a fleet back in 1980s almost all were gone in 1990s

I'm just thinking where they would have been by year 2000 if they never collapsed, maybe atleast 2-3 Ulyanovsk Class carriers or even more

Big dreams and big plans that never materialised or you can say maybe they did materialise, today the day belongs to China and now we can see China rise, I say very exciting times
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

But Soviets also 2 x Mosvka Class, 4 x Kiev Class, 2 x Kuznetsov Class and the incomplete Ulyanovsk that's 9 flat tops

Plus the heavy hitters 5 x Kirov Class (1 incomplete) battle cruisers and 4 x Slava (1 incomplete)

I'm just thinking where they would have been by year 2000 if they never collapsed, maybe atleast 2-3 Ulyanovsk Class carriers or even more .
Well, the Moskvas were getting long in the tooth even in 1990. I would not call them "flat tops."

But the Kievs were decent and had the Russians developed the Yak-141 and produced it, they would have finally had a decent air wing capability for them.

Both Kuznetsovs and a couple of Ulyanovsks would have been potent with SU-33s and now Mig-29Ks.

Had the USSR continued, or had the Russians been economically able to continue, the Russian Navy now would have had 4 Kiev class carrier with some decent capability, 2 Kusnetsov STOBAR carriers with very good capabilities, and two Ulyanovsk carriers (which would have been STOBAR/CATOBAR hybrids) with capabilities that only the US carriers could excel. Eight Carriers in all.

As it is, the Chinese have (IMHO) improved on the Kuznetsov and will end up with two improved vessels of that class, and then will start their own full CATOBAR carriers. I also believe we are going to see them build several of the Type 075 LHA vessels that only the Wasp and America classes will have greater capabilities.

By 2030, perhaps the Chinese will have five carriers and four LHAs...all of them modern and very capable.
 
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