PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Pointblank

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

The HST just arrived in the region.
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wants one carrier in the region at all times.

Coupled with the USS Nimitz, as her deployment in the Indian Ocean has been extended as well.

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As we know, ships can easily be moved around to where they are needed, so if necessary, they could send Nimitz to the Red Sea for support.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

CJ-7 is a primary trainer developed by Hongdu with help from Yakovlev and based on the Yak-152. Both use a nine cylinder radial engine.
A small trainer for initial deck flying will be more strongly built and considerably heavier, something of the size and weight of the Super Tucano but even more strongly built. I would like a twin engine aircraft with coaxial propeller.
I also think this smaller carrier might be fitted with EM cats, either in the waist or, my preference, in the ski ramp. These cats might have a third or half the power of cats in main carriers so this might lead to saving money on the development of EM cats. And the aircraft must be designed to use these cats.

Okay I get you. Sort of a
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but for a turboprop you don't need cats. They are nice sure, but for the role your talking about a Stobar would do just as well in fact Cats might be over kill as a good turboprop attacker has a lighter frame then a Jet and would be able to take it's full take off weight of arms with out assistance. heck you don't even need a angled deck. basically you would be building a craft comparable to a American Essex-class aircraft carrier re envisioned as a LHA... well kinda.
You use cats because a fighter Jet is too heavy to take off under it's own power at the speeds offered. These speeds created the full change to Cats and the advent of the Angled deck.
 

joshuatree

Captain
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

These speeds created the full change to Cats and the advent of the Angled deck.

I thought the advent of the angled deck stemmed from the desire to speed up the tempo of operations, being able to land and launch quickly, as well as adding in safety with a landing plane angled away from other planes?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

If that were the case then surely angled decks would be universal across all carriers'. The angled deck was developed in the post second world war Royal navy by then captain Dennis Cambell and his secretary. Captain Cambell was tasked with finding a way to keep the navy relevant in the jet age.
he realized one of the problems of landing a jet is it carries a lot more speed on touch down and even with wires the aircraft would be in forward momentum. But if the deck were put at an angle it is almost like having a second deck.
now the ease of simultaneously operating launching and recovery was a bonus.
now look at the carrier fleets of the world.just about all the vtol fighter carriers lack angled decks. This is because as vtol fighters they all land almost vertically or at very low speeds and don't need a separate landing strip. A turboprop attacker would likewise have a very low stall speed and weight compared to a navy fighter jet so a angled deck is unnecessary.
 

delft

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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Okay I get you. Sort of a
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but for a turboprop you don't need cats. They are nice sure, but for the role your talking about a Stobar would do just as well in fact Cats might be over kill as a good turboprop attacker has a lighter frame then a Jet and would be able to take it's full take off weight of arms with out assistance. heck you don't even need a angled deck. basically you would be building a craft comparable to a American Essex-class aircraft carrier re envisioned as a LHA... well kinda.
You use cats because a fighter Jet is too heavy to take off under it's own power at the speeds offered. These speeds created the full change to Cats and the advent of the Angled deck.
A2D failed, trouble with engine and gearbox. But of its British counterpart, the Westand Wyvern, just less than 130 were built and they killed 13 pilots, mostly when the engine was starved during a cat launch and they dropped into the sea. It took a long time before that fault was corrected.
You use cats to reduce the deck area used for launching your aircraft and leave a larger area for other functions. You might be able take off from a 100k CVN without cats and without clearing a large part of the deck but possibly not from a 40k CV or LPH. Think of the third take off position on Adm K and Liaoning.
 

Jeff Head

General
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AUGUST 28, 2013
Chinese President Xi Jin Ping Reviews PLAN Naval Aviation
and the Chinese Aircraft Carrier Liaoning, CV-16


On August 28, 2013, President Xi Jin Ping of the People's Republic of China (PRC) visited the Naval Aviation Training Facility near Shenyang, China. Afterwards, he traveled to Dalian Naval Shipyards, where the new Chinese Carrier, the Liaoning, CV-16 is docked, and visited the vessel there.

This is a signifcant show of support for the developing Naval Air Arm of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) and shos the President's own support for the programs, and by extension that of the Chinese Communist Party and the Politburo.

Thge Visit to the Naval Aviation Training Facility

Upon arrival at the Training Facility near Shenyang, the President was first greeted and then taken to a review stand.


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While there, he first observed a demonstration of the J-15, the strike fighter the PLAN is developing for its carriers, as one of them took off from one of the two ski-jumps that have been built there to train Chinese naval aviation pilots.


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The President then observed the landing of the J-15, seeing how it "traps" a wire with its tailhook. The Naval Aviation Training Facility at Shenyang has been built to allow trainees to be trained and tested in all aspects of carrier operations, including the trap wires which have been installed on a carrier "deck" which has been built on land there.


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Afterwards, President Xi spent time with the trainees themselves, congratulating one group on their progress and then speaking to all of the trainees about the importance of what they are doing for the PRC.


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Jeff Head

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Re: PRC President reviews PLAN Naval Air

The Visit to the Aircraft Carrier, Liaoning, CV-16


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, is the PLAN's first aircraft carrier. It is a large angled-deck carrier displacing over 65,000 tons and capable of carrying more than 30 strike aircraft. The Chinese purchased this carrier from the Ukraine in the late 1990s. It was the sister ship of the Russian Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, but was not completed before the fall of the Soviet Union and ended up in Ukraine, unfinished after the collapse of the USSR.

China bought the carrier, had it towed to Dalian shipyards and then performed a detailed study of the vessel. Then,
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with Chinese sensors, weapons systems, and ultimately with the Chinese J-15 strike fighters which they have developed and are now beginning to produce. They launched her on August 9, 2011, and commissioned her on September 24, 2012.

Upon arrivial at the aircraft carrier in Dalian, President Xi was greeted by a manning of the rails, and was then escorted onto the carrier deck, where an honor guard welcomed him aboard.


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President Xi then made his way to the bridge of the Liiaoning, where he reviewed the staions there, listened as bridge operations were explained to him, and then accepted a plaque commemorating the Liaoning from the commanding officer on behalf of the entire crew. He then spoke to the crew.


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After this, the party made its way onto the large flight deck of the Liaoning. The Liaoning is what is known as a STOBAR (Short Take Off, Baarier Assisted Recovery) Aircraft carrier. This means she uses a ski-jump to assist her aircraft to get into the air, and then uses trap wires and a barrier system to recover those aircraft as they land.

The jet blast deflector and the chocks to hold the aircraft in place as they power up for launch were demonstrated.

In addition, the optical landing light system was demonstrated which the pilots use to help them land in all weather conditions. Crew members discussed these operations during these demonstrations, and the President reviewed the various operations on the flight deck which are depicted and coordinated by different color suits that the personnel wear when working on the flight deck.


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Finally, the entire entourage made its way to the hanger deck, using one of the two large elevatoirs which are designed to move the aircraft carrier's fighters and helicopters between the flight deck and the hanger where aircraft can be safely stored and worked on.

In the hanger, President Xi was shown the carriers Ouijah Board layout. This is a device that allows the deck traffic controllers to keep track of the aircraft on deck and avoid any traffic and movement problems.

In addition, the fire fighting team showed the President the equipment and fire suits they are trained on and use in the event of requiring to fight and extinguish any fires that ignite in the hanger or on deck.


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All in all, it was a very productive day, and an exciting one for the whole crew of the Liaoning.

Summary

The visit by the President of the People's Republic of China specifically to the Naval Aviation Training Facilty and the Aircraft Carrier Liaoning, sends a strong message of support internally to the people fo China and their leaders, as well as to other nations. It punctuates the PRC's determination to develop and maintian a strong naval air arm as a part of their armed forces, and to develop, build, and deploy large aircraft carriers and their airwings in pursuit of PRC interests.

The PRC has already announced plans to build at least two, and probably more of their own indegenous carriers. From modules that have been seen under construction at Dalian, where the Liaoning was completed, it appears that they have already begun to do just that.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Re: PRC President reviews PLAN Naval Air

Jeff, the guy's last name is Xi, not Ping ;)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

One: I was using it as an example to show we were on the same page.

two: No Ski jump has Cats. the curve of the jump would jam the Cat. Even a EM cat. So its either Jump or Cat. doubling down screws up the works. When you look at the Russian Ulyanovsk deck layout the cats were to be placed on the angled deck not the jump.
The Jump Ramp was another British innovation it is designed to allow aircraft to take off safer with out cats for those same reason as cats. A aircraft with STOL features would be able to use a ramp just as easily as a Cat.
Because the Aim of your idea is not a full fighter jet but rather a light turbo prop attacker and your carrier would likely be used as a helicopter carrier to you could get away with more on a ramp.

Three: The Essex class Carrier weight in at 36,380 long tons and its first unit CV9 lacked cats fallow on units added cats. in fact Hanger deck cats were on the next eight until along side a single deck cat on the main deck the hanger cats were removed later on. so you can take of with a loaded prop plane with out a ramp from a 40K carrier.
 
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