PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
Both produce merchant as well as naval vessels. But it was CSIS which suspended trading in its shares for several months to have time to negotiate a contract connected with the production of large naval vessels.
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
Jeff, are you saying there are two PLAN LHAs under construction visible in the picture?
Or are you saying if the modules are those of an LHA, that it would be the second PLAN LHA under construction and there is another one being constructed somewhere else?
I am still not convinced that the picture shows anything military but just wanted to understand what you are saying. An LHA at this point would at least make more sense than a CV.
Today's China Military Review pronouncement about the construction at Changxing Island could be the first "semi-official," type indication that the vessel and structures we see there at Changxing Island are in fact a PLAN LHA.
If so, then the shadows were not playing games on us. Here is what I have come up with to explain what we are seeing.
PLAN Type 75 LHA Under Construction at Changxing Island
PLAN Type 75 Construction at Changxing Island Explanation
From this, it is clear to me that the PLAN is constructing its first large LHA Vessel there at Changxing Island, probably in the 35-40,000 ton range. From the photo, it may well be that what we are seeing there in the lower right, could in fact be the second such vessel under construction.
Jeff, are you saying there are two PLAN LHAs under construction visible in the picture?
Or are you saying if the modules are those of an LHA, that it would be the second PLAN LHA under construction and there is another one being constructed somewhere else?
I am still not convinced that the picture shows anything military but just wanted to understand what you are saying. An LHA at this point would at least make more sense than a CV.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
I think from day one it has been unquestionable that this module is that of a flat top warship, it's got a hanger it's got a elevator thats more than enough evidence
However it is entirely possible it's a modue mock up only to show that this shipyard can build a flat top
I think from day one it has been unquestionable that this module is that of a flat top warship, it's got a hanger it's got a elevator thats more than enough evidence
However it is entirely possible it's a modue mock up only to show that this shipyard can build a flat top
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
My own personal belief is that the vessel under construction is advanced well towards the bow and that both of those other modules in the lower left which are very similar to the cross section at the bow of the vessel under construction, are in fact for a second such vessel. But that's just my opinion.
It is interesting to note that the two sections in the lower left show one that has a higher cross section for the opening, which could be for the hanger, and that the one further forward has a lower cross sesction, which could be for vehcile storgae or some such.
Time will tell.
In the picture I show marked up, you see the one vessel, fairly far along in construction, with a clear similar section towards the bow as what is observed in the lower left of the picture.
My own personal belief is that the vessel under construction is advanced well towards the bow and that both of those other modules in the lower left which are very similar to the cross section at the bow of the vessel under construction, are in fact for a second such vessel. But that's just my opinion.
It is interesting to note that the two sections in the lower left show one that has a higher cross section for the opening, which could be for the hanger, and that the one further forward has a lower cross sesction, which could be for vehcile storgae or some such.
Time will tell.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II
A real stunner! Brilliant design and amazing look, clearly much larger than the Hyuga Class but the island does look the same size
This vessel will be the minster of defence in the Japanese Maritime Self Defence forces, without doubt could lift 25-30 helicopters
From this angle it looks comparable to the Queen Elizabeth carrier! South Korea should take note here who seem to have fallen asleep after one build, they lie inbetweeen who rising giants and unless they start building some serious flat tops could end up in a sticky situation not to mention North Korea
South Korea has amazing industrial power and even better finances building say 6 Dokdo Class shouldn't even make them break sweat, hell even the Aussies are going to get two pretty big LHD soon and Russia already has two in build with opition got two more
JMSDF I think should in my opinion add a few more Arleigh Burke derivatives to thier surface force as escort for these flat tops
A real stunner! Brilliant design and amazing look, clearly much larger than the Hyuga Class but the island does look the same size
This vessel will be the minster of defence in the Japanese Maritime Self Defence forces, without doubt could lift 25-30 helicopters
From this angle it looks comparable to the Queen Elizabeth carrier! South Korea should take note here who seem to have fallen asleep after one build, they lie inbetweeen who rising giants and unless they start building some serious flat tops could end up in a sticky situation not to mention North Korea
South Korea has amazing industrial power and even better finances building say 6 Dokdo Class shouldn't even make them break sweat, hell even the Aussies are going to get two pretty big LHD soon and Russia already has two in build with opition got two more
JMSDF I think should in my opinion add a few more Arleigh Burke derivatives to thier surface force as escort for these flat tops
Re: Aircraft Carriers II
The improved Akizuki is coming next, 4-6 of then before 2020, so that will be 19 to 21. So they are building rapidly too.
Clearly, the Japanese are now standardizing on their own, new AEGIS-like system. Both Hyugas have it, all four of the Akizukis have it, the new Kaga carriers (22DDH) of this thread have it, and the follow on to the Akizukis will have it too.
That will be a total of 12-14 vessels by 2020 with that new dual mode system, plus their six AEGIS vessels.
Well, the have the four Kongos and the two Atagos so they have six. But they are busily building newer designs of their own. They have finished building and launching all four Akizuki DDGs which have an equivalent system to AEGIS which can also data link to it and perform cooperative engagement with it. So there's ten. They also have the five Takinami Class which are very similarly armed to the newer Akizuki. So that's fifteen.
The improved Akizuki is coming next, 4-6 of then before 2020, so that will be 19 to 21. So they are building rapidly too.
Clearly, the Japanese are now standardizing on their own, new AEGIS-like system. Both Hyugas have it, all four of the Akizukis have it, the new Kaga carriers (22DDH) of this thread have it, and the follow on to the Akizukis will have it too.
That will be a total of 12-14 vessels by 2020 with that new dual mode system, plus their six AEGIS vessels.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II
although this is true if JMSDF really wants to be able to provide ballistic missile shield then it does so by more Atagos and Kongos not the Akizuki Class which is a much lighter vessel , there is a clear seperation in these classes
adding 2-4 more Arleigh Burke Class 10,000 ton ships would enhance JMSDF much further and infact this is exactly what is being proposed, although im not sure of the exact class
although this is true if JMSDF really wants to be able to provide ballistic missile shield then it does so by more Atagos and Kongos not the Akizuki Class which is a much lighter vessel , there is a clear seperation in these classes
adding 2-4 more Arleigh Burke Class 10,000 ton ships would enhance JMSDF much further and infact this is exactly what is being proposed, although im not sure of the exact class
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II
Holy J-umm! Look at the size of this monster, so many years we have been hearing of this but always was hard to get pictures and information was hard to come by, it is easier following PLAN ships than this JMSDF vessel and I think I know why, because this is going to send alarm bells ringing throughout Asia
Hell of a flat top that is! Very very nice
Holy J-umm! Look at the size of this monster, so many years we have been hearing of this but always was hard to get pictures and information was hard to come by, it is easier following PLAN ships than this JMSDF vessel and I think I know why, because this is going to send alarm bells ringing throughout Asia
Hell of a flat top that is! Very very nice