PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

That's why I said "upwards" of twenty.

The US Navy could get eight-nine carriers and eight-nine LHD/As out at a time if they absolutely had to once both are at full strength of 11 vessels each. That's 16-18.

I don't get it, your saying they can deploy 16-18 and also saying at the same upwards of 20?? Which one is it
 

Zerozen

New Member
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

I don't get it, your saying they can deploy 16-18 and also saying at the same upwards of 20?? Which one is it

LoL, he said US Navy can deploy an average of 16-18 with a maximum of 20 in a wartime scenario. As of now, rotation is inplaced to reduce cost.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

16-18 is "upwards" of 20. In English, "upwards," of something means a number approaching it.

I have no idea what you mean, 16-18 is downwards of 20 not upwards

Upwards means more than not approaching, and I don't know how you arrive at 16-18 being more than 20??

You are either saying they can deploy less than 20 or more, Because 16-18 is "less" than 20 not more, so still I don't know how you said in your original statement that they can deploy upwards of 20 flat tops when clearly numbers your mentioned are less than 20
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

I have no idea what you mean, 16-18 is downwards of 20 not upwards

Upwards means more than not approaching, and I don't know how you arrive at 16-18 being more than 20??

You are either saying they can deploy less than 20 or more, Because 16-18 is "less" than 20 not more, so still I don't know how you said in your original statement that they can deploy upwards of 20 flat tops when clearly numbers your mentioned are less than 20

No worries Asif the word "upwards" is used mostly as a figure of speech by Jeff, it is not to be determine as an exact number. ;) It's more of an exact estimate in a real time scenario.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

I have no idea what you mean, 16-18 is downwards of 20 not upwards

Upwards means more than not approaching, and I don't know how you arrive at 16-18 being more than 20??

You are either saying they can deploy less than 20 or more, Because 16-18 is "less" than 20 not more, so still I don't know how you said in your original statement that they can deploy upwards of 20 flat tops when clearly numbers your mentioned are less than 20
As I already explained, Asif, in American English, the idiomatic expression of "upwards," means something that is approaching the number that you are speaking of. Therefore, as you approach twenty, you are "upwards" of 20. It does not mean "over" twenty.

As Equation said, is a "figure of speech," or "idiomatic expression," which means exactly what I told you.

You can either learn a new figure of speech in American English, or you can refuse to believe it and decide from your perspective it does not mean this.

But, I live here in the US and use US English to express myself, and in the US, if the US Navy can deploy 16-18 of these vessels, then one could and would say that they can deploy upwards of twenty. Another word you could use if you prefer would be to say they could deploy "about" 20, but meaning a number approaching 20 but also less than 20.

Hope that helps, that is what was meant with this term.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Good stuff guys sometimes we can get mixed up with the terminology and it can cause confusions, nevertheless it does makes sense, American English is always confusing, like we say football you guys call it soccer, we say pavement you say side walk, and this one i like we call a cigarette a fag, well in America a fag is you know what i mean (a homosexual) , imagine you heard Englishman say "hey we just smoked a fag together" lol

anyway back to carriers!
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

The old trouble, Americans and Englishmen, two peoples divided by a common language. It was said long ago. And to some extent it is true between Scots and English, and between every other pair of English speaking peoples.
 

kroko

Senior Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

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I think we're all in agreement this module looks disconcertingly carrier like.

I agree that this seems carrier like.

If you notice, this module has 2 larger upper pieces (which in a carrier serve to sustain the large deck). Notice that there is a opening betwen the parts, similar to what you find in a carrier. I dont think any commercial ship would have that.

We will see, but probably this is a carrier test module or something like that.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Jane's Defense article on possible carrier construction on Changxing Island.

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Sections of a ship at Jiangnan Group's Changxing Island shipbuilding facility near Shanghai may be parts of China's first indigenously built aircraft carrier.

Images of the blocks recently began appearing on Chinese military forums and websites and have been corroborated by DigitalGlobe satellite imagery of the Changxing Island site dated 3 March 2013. The structure of the block does not resemble any of the commercial vessels currently under construction in the surrounding docks.

China commissioned its first aircraft carrier, Liaoning , in 2012 after refitting the former Soviet Kuznetsov (Orel) (Project 1143.5/6)-class vessel in Dalian. Liaoning has been repeatedly described as a training platform that would precede the construction and commissioning of homegrown carriers.

The section shown in satellite imagery at Changxing island appears to be around 24-27 m wide at the waterline and 46-52 m wide at the top where it would meet the wider flight deck. It has a space for a hangar that would be 20-22.3 m wide and 4.5-5.1 m high at this section of the forward hull and may become beamier and more spacious towards the centre section.

By comparison, Liaoning and its sister ship Admiral Kuznetsov are approximately 70 m wide at their widest point on the flight deck and 37 m at the waterline. India's Kiev-class carrier Vikramaditya (ex- Admiral Gorshkov ) is smaller with a 51 m-wide deck and width of 32.7 m at the waterline.

IHS Jane's Fighting Ships notes Liaoning 's hangar as being 29.4 m wide and 7.5 m high while Vikramaditya 's hangar is reported as 22.5 m wide.

The images show the section at the head of the smaller of the four building docks at the Changxing Island facility. The dock is 360 m long and 80 m wide. Aside from constructing warships, Jiangnan currently has a large order book of over 70 merchant ships across its three facilities.

By using this dock, the shipyard may be trying to limit any potential impacts on the carrier's build time of having to share with civilian vessels under construction. This would have been the case if one of the three larger docks at Changxing Island had been used.

The images may also help to explain recent CSIC announcements, which sources in China have said may be linked to the carrier programme. CSIC suspended trading on 16 May and justified the move by saying it was in negotiations with government departments for an "unprecedented contract for military fitting" and so "did not want to distort the stock market". To "maintain fairness in information release", CSIC said it would cease trading until a major announcement in mid-August.

The images are also supported by the existence of a scale model of the Jiangnan yard at Changxing that was unveiled in 2009 and displayed an aircraft carrier in a dry dock. In the same year, the shipyard put up a banner announcing it had "the determination, confidence, and capability to take on China's first large-scale surface warship!", while in 2010, more than 200 high-ranking PLAN officers visited the yard.

In 2011 Reuters quoted a high-ranking Chinese political figure as saying that two carriers were being built at the yard. In the same year, He Guoqiang, a standing member of the Chinese Communist Party's politburo, visited Jiangnan and stressed the need for "innovation and conquering hurdles in key technologies".

However, in April 2013 Rear Admiral Song Xue, deputy chief of staff of the PLAN, told foreign defence attaches that China's next carrier "will be larger and carry more fighter [aircraft]" but denied that construction was under way at Changxing.
 
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