PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

MwRYum said:

It's simply too early to tell if a flattop is actually under construction right now.

I'd rather wait for the sections got put together into something more ship-shaped then make the call.

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Then you're missing out on the fun

Speculating is the best part of PLA watching, and is something other militaries don't offer

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asif iqbal said:

Off top of my head I think one of these ships carried around 20 Harriers during 2003 invasion of Iraq, after this the high command found that these flat tops could provide decent air cover.

If you think about it, a America Class can essentially free up a super carrier if it can provide its own air cover, in some circumstances this can lead to a big advantage and allow a super carrier to focus on what it does best

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Two of them were used.

There's over 30 Harriers on these two Wasp Class vessels in this picture, and they were probably carrying 40. Think of that, particularly loaded with F-35Bs, in comparison to other carriers that are coming out and you can see how the US, if needed, could really field upwards of twenty carriers at once if it had to.

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Bltizo said:

Then you're missing out on the fun

Speculating is the best part of PLA watching, and is something other militaries don't offer

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Fun? More like too many false alarm.

Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

... Which is part of what makes PLA watching so interesting, you can never quite predict what they'll knock you over the head with next.

Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Apparently this is merely a "test module" to prove JNCX can build a module of such complexity, etc, so it's not completely full sized and won't be part of a ship.
the pic of the full lha/carrier shape was merely an illusion

I think the question now, is whether this is a module meant to precede the first class of indigenous carrier, or the second class, because it certainly seems to have the trough necessary for a catapult, but we've heard conflicting accounts on whether CV001A/2 will be STOBAR or CATOBAR.

Also, will the time gap between demonstration module and production be similar to the 056 demo module's appearance and subsequent construction?

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Link to the "test module" claim please.

Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Jeff Head said:

This is one of my favorite pics when it comes to Naval Power and the US Navy.

Not one of these 40,000 ton+ vessels is considered an "Aircraft Carrier" in the United States Navy, yet in a Sea Control Carrier mode, each one of them could carry 24 VSTOL aircraft for carrier operations.

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In addition to the 11 nuclear aircraft carriers, the US Navy currently has 10 of these vessels. And with 22 Ticonderoga Class AEGIS cruisers, 62 Arleigh Burke Class AEGIS destroyers, and 40 Los Angeles Class and 10 Virginia Class SSNs, the US Navy has plenty of vessels to escort them.

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Pax Americana!

Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Bltizo said:

Apparently this is merely a "test module" to prove JNCX can build a module of such complexity, etc, so it's not completely full sized and won't be part of a ship.
the pic of the full lha/carrier shape was merely an illusion

I think the question now, is whether this is a module meant to precede the first class of indigenous carrier, or the second class, because it certainly seems to have the trough necessary for a catapult, but we've heard conflicting accounts on whether CV001A/2 will be STOBAR or CATOBAR.

Also, will the time gap between demonstration module and production be similar to the 056 demo module's appearance and subsequent construction?

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That certainly make sense, a mock up of a module rather than the real thing and that is what is likely here as we don't really see how they can be building a carrier it LHD here as the infrastructure does look a bit dubious, doesn't look like there is much more than just the module sitting there

Yes that is likely, but what is clear is that it is a flat top module, maybe PLAN set out a tender to the shipyards to submit thier units?

Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Jeff Head said:

Two of them were used.

There's over 30 Harriers on these two Wasp Class vessels in this picture, and they were probably carrying 40. Think of that, particularly loaded with F-35Bs, in comparison to other carriers that are coming out and you can see how the US, if needed, could really field upwards of twenty carriers at once if it had to.

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I dont think they could deploy 20 flat tops at once, very unlikely, under the fleet response plan (FRP) on a 30 days notice USN could manage 7 fleet carriers 8 I think under 60 day notice deployment based on a 11 carrier fleet

Infact under the plan USN can surge 7 and ready another 2 in a 90 day period to rotate the ones initially deployed, this excercise was called Summer pulse '04 at a time when USN had 12 carriers

I guess it's probably same for LHD, so with the current strength USN of 10 carriers and 9 amphibious assault ships I would think that they have 13-14 deployable flat tops at anyone time, that's 7 carriers and 6-7 of the amphibious assault vessals

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asif iqbal said:

I dont think they could deploy 20 flat tops at once, very unlikely, under the fleet response plan (FRP) on a 30 days notice USN could manage 7 fleet carriers 8 I think under 60 day notice deployment based on a 11 carrier fleet

I guess it's probably same for LHD, so with the current strength USN of 10 carriers and 9 amphibious assault ships I would think that they have 13-14 deployable flat tops at anyone time, that's 7 carriers and 6-7 of the amphibious assault vessels

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That's why I said "upwards" of twenty.

The US Navy could get eight-nine carriers and eight-nine LHD/As out at a time if they absolutely had to once both are at full strength of 11 vessels each. That's 16-18.

And, in a serious war time scenario, like particularly early in in World War II, everything available was out...and short of major damage, any problems were turned around very, very quickly and they were sent right back out. The US got so good at this that several times when the Japanese thought that they had sunk the USS Enterprise, they thought the US had more carriers because the Enterprise would show up a few weeks later and be fighting them again.

Those would be desperate times...but in those times, people do amazing things.