PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

Excellent drawings.

However you've really minimized space for the ;
1) crew
2) supplies
3) munitions
4) work spaces

...with that narrow hull. I've mentioned that to you previously.Your drawings are always excellent. But in this case not practical.

Do not let my comments stop you from finishing your excellent drawing.

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ahah! You, dear sir, have the advantage of experience> But I have BSing and pretty pictures!

1) crew.
If you look closely you will see that the hanger stops some way behind the front end of the angled flight deck, and that the lage space ahead of it is available for crew and supplies.

2) supplies
crew and general supplies are fine I think, aviation fuel is limited, comparable to other 30-40k carriers so much less than Nimitz. But by the same token despite a design that maximises hanger and deck space, it's not intended to operate larger air wings - the trend I think is for ever smaller air wings. The days of Nimitz carrying 90 aircraft are a memory.

3) munitions
always a risk. Main magazine is below waterline in centre of ship with munitions lift on starboard side (not visible yet). Whilst more is better, modern weapons are used at a slower rate due to greater accuracy

4) work spaces
If you look in the rear port side of the hanger deck there is a relatively large engine maintenance workshop with plenty of room for engine testing (exhausting rearwards). Additionally there are workshops along the port side if you look carefully. There are also two single-story mezzanine decks 'hanging' from the ceiling of the hanger deck for crew readiness etc.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

Excellent drawings.

However you've really minimized space for the ;
1) crew
2) supplies
3) munitions
4) work spaces

...with that narrow hull. I've mentioned that to you previously.Your drawings are always excellent. But in this case not practical.

Do not let my comments stop you from finishing your excellent drawing.

Click to expand...

ahah! You, dear sir, have the advantage of experience> But I have BSing and pretty pictures!

1) crew.
If you look closely you will see that the hanger stops some way behind the front end of the angled flight deck, and that the lage space ahead of it is available for crew and supplies.

2) supplies
crew and general supplies are fine I think, aviation fuel is limited, comparable to other 30-40k carriers so much less than Nimitz. But by the same token despite a design that maximises hanger and deck space, it's not intended to operate larger air wings - the trend I think is for ever smaller air wings. The days of Nimitz carrying 90 aircraft are a memory.

3) munitions
always a risk. Main magazine is below waterline in centre of ship with munitions lift on starboard side (not visible yet). Whilst more is better, modern weapons are used at a slower rate due to greater accuracy

4) work spaces
If you look in the rear port side of the hanger deck there is a relatively large engine maintenance workshop with plenty of room for engine testing (exhausting rearwards). Additionally there are workshops along the port side if you look carefully. There are also two single-story mezzanine decks 'hanging' from the ceiling of the hanger deck for crew readiness etc.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

Excellent drawings.

However you've really minimized space for the ;
1) crew
2) supplies
3) munitions
4) work spaces

...with that narrow hull. I've mentioned that to you previously.Your drawings are always excellent. But in this case not practical.

Do not let my comments stop you from finishing your excellent drawing.

Click to expand...

ahah! You, dear sir, have the advantage of experience> But I have BSing and pretty pictures!

1) crew.
If you look closely you will see that the hanger stops some way behind the front end of the angled flight deck, and that the lage space ahead of it is available for crew and supplies.

2) supplies
crew and general supplies are fine I think, aviation fuel is limited, comparable to other 30-40k carriers so much less than Nimitz. But by the same token despite a design that maximises hanger and deck space, it's not intended to operate larger air wings - the trend I think is for ever smaller air wings. The days of Nimitz carrying 90 aircraft are a memory.

3) munitions
always a risk. Main magazine is below waterline in centre of ship with munitions lift on starboard side (not visible yet). Whilst more is better, modern weapons are used at a slower rate due to greater accuracy

4) work spaces
If you look in the rear port side of the hanger deck there is a relatively large engine maintenance workshop with plenty of room for engine testing (exhausting rearwards). Additionally there are workshops along the port side if you look carefully. There are also two single-story mezzanine decks 'hanging' from the ceiling of the hanger deck for crew readiness etc.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Also add survivability to the list of problems; if a multi-hulled ship is hit in one of the outer hulls, it will really throw the stability of the ship off, and flight deck operations will be cancelled.

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^^ Exactly.

ahah! You, dear sir, have the advantage of experience> But I have BSing and pretty pictures!

Click to expand...

LOL!!

However..how many sailors will man your ship? They need berthing and a messing/galley area. Plus there need be space for such amenities as gyms, ships stores, barber shop etc..etc.. a CV is a floating city.

I served on the USS Hancock CVA-19 in '74 & '75. An WWII Essex class. She displaced 33,000 tons. Roughly the size of your ship.... And every inch of available space was used.

No matter how you rationalize it the hull is to small. You need crew space, more work shop space, storage rooms, sick bay and dental, magazines and fuel tanks for the ships fuel and aircraft fuel. And I almost forgot you need tanks for water storage. Ships make their own fresh water it needs to be stored.

Remember that a CV has many different work shops. Just not for aircraft. Machine shops, lithography,Damage control lockers. All sorts of pump rooms for fuel and water. A very large support shops for ground support equipment..i.e. tow tractors, portable generators, hydraulic carts, nitrogen carts, fork lifts & fire fighting vehicles from the flight deck. CVs also have welding shops for aircraft and the ships equipment. You get my point? Believe you me there's plenty more..

I need to know how many aircraft she will carry and what to you estimate the crew size will be? I'm guessing a crew of 1,500- 2,000 with about 36-40 aircraft.

And none of us has a clue how the PLAN will man and operate their CVs...

Your turn!

Great drawings by the way..

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Also add survivability to the list of problems; if a multi-hulled ship is hit in one of the outer hulls, it will really throw the stability of the ship off, and flight deck operations will be cancelled.

Click to expand...

^^ Exactly.

ahah! You, dear sir, have the advantage of experience> But I have BSing and pretty pictures!

Click to expand...

LOL!!

However..how many sailors will man your ship? They need berthing and a messing/galley area. Plus there need be space for such amenities as gyms, ships stores, barber shop etc..etc.. a CV is a floating city.

I served on the USS Hancock CVA-19 in '74 & '75. An WWII Essex class. She displaced 33,000 tons. Roughly the size of your ship.... And every inch of available space was used.

No matter how you rationalize it the hull is to small. You need crew space, more work shop space, storage rooms, sick bay and dental, magazines and fuel tanks for the ships fuel and aircraft fuel. And I almost forgot you need tanks for water storage. Ships make their own fresh water it needs to be stored.

Remember that a CV has many different work shops. Just not for aircraft. Machine shops, lithography,Damage control lockers. All sorts of pump rooms for fuel and water. A very large support shops for ground support equipment..i.e. tow tractors, portable generators, hydraulic carts, nitrogen carts, fork lifts & fire fighting vehicles from the flight deck. CVs also have welding shops for aircraft and the ships equipment. You get my point? Believe you me there's plenty more..

I need to know how many aircraft she will carry and what to you estimate the crew size will be? I'm guessing a crew of 1,500- 2,000 with about 36-40 aircraft.

And none of us has a clue how the PLAN will man and operate their CVs...

Your turn!

Great drawings by the way..

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Also add survivability to the list of problems; if a multi-hulled ship is hit in one of the outer hulls, it will really throw the stability of the ship off, and flight deck operations will be cancelled.

Click to expand...

^^ Exactly.

ahah! You, dear sir, have the advantage of experience> But I have BSing and pretty pictures!

Click to expand...

LOL!!

However..how many sailors will man your ship? They need berthing and a messing/galley area. Plus there need be space for such amenities as gyms, ships stores, barber shop etc..etc.. a CV is a floating city.

I served on the USS Hancock CVA-19 in '74 & '75. An WWII Essex class. She displaced 33,000 tons. Roughly the size of your ship.... And every inch of available space was used.

No matter how you rationalize it the hull is to small. You need crew space, more work shop space, storage rooms, sick bay and dental, magazines and fuel tanks for the ships fuel and aircraft fuel. And I almost forgot you need tanks for water storage. Ships make their own fresh water it needs to be stored.

Remember that a CV has many different work shops. Just not for aircraft. Machine shops, lithography,Damage control lockers. All sorts of pump rooms for fuel and water. A very large support shops for ground support equipment..i.e. tow tractors, portable generators, hydraulic carts, nitrogen carts, fork lifts & fire fighting vehicles from the flight deck. CVs also have welding shops for aircraft and the ships equipment. You get my point? Believe you me there's plenty more..

I need to know how many aircraft she will carry and what to you estimate the crew size will be? I'm guessing a crew of 1,500- 2,000 with about 36-40 aircraft.

And none of us has a clue how the PLAN will man and operate their CVs...

Your turn!

Great drawings by the way..

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

You've been brainwashed by Golly and his anti-multihull rantings!

This rear view of the still unfinished beast shows the relative depth of the ship, although the perspective makes the below-waterline hull look smaller than it is.


Here's a plan view. The top one shows flight deck, although island is still missing. The SAM VLS is aft-port corner, and two CIWS and 3 soft-kill stations are already placed.

The middle pic shows the hanger-deck level. Primary workshops highlighted with red squares. Note how wide the crew space is forward.

The bottom view shows lower hull excluding out-riggers. Quite a bit bigger than the naysayers would have you believe!



This shot is from the bow with most of the forward hull hidden, showing a cross-section of the main crew area. It's several stories high.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

You've been brainwashed by Golly and his anti-multihull rantings!

This rear view of the still unfinished beast shows the relative depth of the ship, although the perspective makes the below-waterline hull look smaller than it is.


Here's a plan view. The top one shows flight deck, although island is still missing. The SAM VLS is aft-port corner, and two CIWS and 3 soft-kill stations are already placed.

The middle pic shows the hanger-deck level. Primary workshops highlighted with red squares. Note how wide the crew space is forward.

The bottom view shows lower hull excluding out-riggers. Quite a bit bigger than the naysayers would have you believe!



This shot is from the bow with most of the forward hull hidden, showing a cross-section of the main crew area. It's several stories high.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

You've been brainwashed by Golly and his anti-multihull rantings!

This rear view of the still unfinished beast shows the relative depth of the ship, although the perspective makes the below-waterline hull look smaller than it is.


Here's a plan view. The top one shows flight deck, although island is still missing. The SAM VLS is aft-port corner, and two CIWS and 3 soft-kill stations are already placed.

The middle pic shows the hanger-deck level. Primary workshops highlighted with red squares. Note how wide the crew space is forward.

The bottom view shows lower hull excluding out-riggers. Quite a bit bigger than the naysayers would have you believe!



This shot is from the bow with most of the forward hull hidden, showing a cross-section of the main crew area. It's several stories high.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

You've been brainwashed by Golly and his anti-multihull rantings!

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Couple of things here..

1) You make excellent drawings.

2) I wish golly would come back to the forum. He's not been here for three weeks.

3) I have the benifit of 20 years serving the USN which includes 6 years actual at sea time aboard CV's..I know how they work.

4 hours later..You have the crew in the bow. Well on USN CV's there is berthing in the bow but in heavy seas a sailor will wish his berthing was much further aft. The bow takes the brunt of heavy seas.